M275 @ Tipner
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M275 @ Tipner
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As many of you may know, plans for the junction at Tipner on the M275 were resurrected a few years back, having been shelved mid-build in the 1970s. The junction will serve a bus park and ride site, hence the bus lane on the southbound onslip on the plans.
According to Portsmouth City Council, there are three options:
Option 1
Option 3
Option 9A
Option 1 is a diamond interchange, with the road passing under the northern bridge (currently unused). This seems to be out of favour though, and so is the least likely to get built.
Option 3 is a roundabout interchange, much like the original plan, and utilises both bridges. This is the option preferred by the planners.
Option 9A is a peculiar junction with a couple of very tight looking slip roads and a strange layout, utilising the southern bridge. This option was suggested by local residents; probably NIMBYs in the houses next to the proposed southern onslip in options 1 and 3, hence the slip road being further north.
Personally, I prefer option 3, as it utilises the existing half-built layout and is a simple and easy layout to use. Option 9A, the NIMBY option as I regard it, would require additional earthworks, have a more peculiar layout, and have a couple of very tight slip roads, which obviously, in the eyes of safety, isn't as safe. The additional deceleration and acceleration on the inbound M275 would also create a greater safety risk and increase congestion in my mind.
The final plan hasn't been decided upon yet, but personally, I hope the planners stick with their favourite option rather than the NIMBY option. Work will start, at the earliest, in 2008, so there is time for a little trip down there in the summer to take lots of photos
Oh, and one final thing, do other Sabristi reckon the already built subways will be used, or filled in? Quite a few subways were filled in and replaced with at-grade crossings a few years back, and footbridges removed too, so I don't rate their survival as being too good. Photos, photos!
As many of you may know, plans for the junction at Tipner on the M275 were resurrected a few years back, having been shelved mid-build in the 1970s. The junction will serve a bus park and ride site, hence the bus lane on the southbound onslip on the plans.
According to Portsmouth City Council, there are three options:
Option 1
Option 3
Option 9A
Option 1 is a diamond interchange, with the road passing under the northern bridge (currently unused). This seems to be out of favour though, and so is the least likely to get built.
Option 3 is a roundabout interchange, much like the original plan, and utilises both bridges. This is the option preferred by the planners.
Option 9A is a peculiar junction with a couple of very tight looking slip roads and a strange layout, utilising the southern bridge. This option was suggested by local residents; probably NIMBYs in the houses next to the proposed southern onslip in options 1 and 3, hence the slip road being further north.
Personally, I prefer option 3, as it utilises the existing half-built layout and is a simple and easy layout to use. Option 9A, the NIMBY option as I regard it, would require additional earthworks, have a more peculiar layout, and have a couple of very tight slip roads, which obviously, in the eyes of safety, isn't as safe. The additional deceleration and acceleration on the inbound M275 would also create a greater safety risk and increase congestion in my mind.
The final plan hasn't been decided upon yet, but personally, I hope the planners stick with their favourite option rather than the NIMBY option. Work will start, at the earliest, in 2008, so there is time for a little trip down there in the summer to take lots of photos
Oh, and one final thing, do other Sabristi reckon the already built subways will be used, or filled in? Quite a few subways were filled in and replaced with at-grade crossings a few years back, and footbridges removed too, so I don't rate their survival as being too good. Photos, photos!
Are they planning to replace the Firing Ranges to the west with better housing or industrial units or what?
Looking at aerial photos I realise I've been over that stretch about 10 years ago when there were about 6 submarines parked in the water there, waiting to be scrapped or sold to the likes of Canada.
Nick
Looking at aerial photos I realise I've been over that stretch about 10 years ago when there were about 6 submarines parked in the water there, waiting to be scrapped or sold to the likes of Canada.
Nick
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9A would work but for the stupid kink in the southbound exit slip. If that was built it would be the most dangerous two lane offslip I can think of - far wider curves have been one laned on motorway slips.
Option 3 wins it for me, personally. A diamond is just too low capacity.
Option 3 wins it for me, personally. A diamond is just too low capacity.
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Remember the road will have a 50mph limit, possibly becoming 40 on the sliproads.Bryn666 wrote:9A would work but for the stupid kink in the southbound exit slip. If that was built it would be the most dangerous two lane offslip I can think of - far wider curves have been one laned on motorway slips.
Also, what happened to the plans to move Fratton Park to Tipner? I'd heard they were going to move it to The Hard instead, which I presumed was because they weren't going to build the junction. Imagine if all the football traffic had to navigate Tipner Road!
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Wait, so the M275 is being dropped from 60 now?
I still don't like the sharp bend
I still don't like the sharp bend
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I've just noticed that the slips are only two lanes for the duration of the bend. What's the point in that?! Wouldn't it be easier to hatch out one of the lanes to conquer understeer?
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Hence my dislike of the design! It's patently dangerous.
Did the same guy who made the rubbish signs one junction further up design option 9a too?
Did the same guy who made the rubbish signs one junction further up design option 9a too?
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Yes, I've also heard about a 50mph limit too; what's the point in the current 60mph limit then, if it's not for the junction as I thought it was meant to be? I still think 60mph would be safe on the mainline though; 70mph+ is safe at present. Hadn't heard about the 40mph slip roads, but I have heard about slip roads being 50mph (or does that refer to the Rudmore roundabout slip roads and M275 north of the M27?). Either way, 40mph or 50mph would be too fast for the loops of option 9A.MSAJohnny wrote:Remember the road will have a 50mph limit, possibly becoming 40 on the sliproads.Bryn666 wrote:9A would work but for the stupid kink in the southbound exit slip. If that was built it would be the most dangerous two lane offslip I can think of - far wider curves have been one laned on motorway slips.
Also, what happened to the plans to move Fratton Park to Tipner? I'd heard they were going to move it to The Hard instead, which I presumed was because they weren't going to build the junction. Imagine if all the football traffic had to navigate Tipner Road!
A couple of weeks ago Portsmouth FC proposed a stadium on reclaimed land between Portsmouth Harbour station and the Historic Dockyard. I've never known of any proposals for a stadium at Tipner; just the playing fields north of Portsmouth or Fratton Village. The recent proposal will not have any parking provision, apart from for players, officials, disabled people, and residents of property that will be built as part of the proposal, and so park and ride would be vital. At least, unlike Southampton, they won't have to close a main route out of the city for over half an hour on match days, plus the stadium would be right next to a railway terminus, bus interchange, and the Gosport Ferry, if it's still running
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But it'll look completley out of place in the middle of Old Portsmouth!
As for Tipner Interchange, this is what someone on Wikipedia thinks the signs will look like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tipner_junction.PNG
To be honest, having seen the gantries, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they really turn out.
As for Tipner Interchange, this is what someone on Wikipedia thinks the signs will look like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tipner_junction.PNG
To be honest, having seen the gantries, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they really turn out.
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Ugh, indeed!
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I think whoever posted that has inside info. Perhaps it was put there by the person responsible for the existing M275 signs.MSAJohnny wrote:But it'll look completley out of place in the middle of Old Portsmouth!
As for Tipner Interchange, this is what someone on Wikipedia thinks the signs will look like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tipner_junction.PNG
To be honest, having seen the gantries, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they really turn out.
Chris
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One oddity I noticed in all three designs: the interchange design has just been slapped on top of the map. There is no indication of how/where the interchanges connect to the local road system, no indication of what happens to traffic on Tipner Lane, and no explanation for the 'orphaned' new road to the North of the junction on one design (Option 1?).
Also note that according to the design for Option 3, the roundabout will be narrower than the original plan, as it is well within the arc described by Tipner Lane.
Also note that according to the design for Option 3, the roundabout will be narrower than the original plan, as it is well within the arc described by Tipner Lane.
no it won't. Tipner lane only follows the roundabout for a bit, then narrows and comes off the line.mittfh wrote:Also note that according to the design for Option 3, the roundabout will be narrower than the original plan, as it is well within the arc described by Tipner Lane.
Option 2 is identical to the original plans.
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The scheme could make for some interesting photography, with before, during and after construction shots, and photos of the new layout before opening
It seems that option 3 is the preferred option, having read notes from a meeting that happened back in March, not that the other options have been ruled out.
It seems that option 3 is the preferred option, having read notes from a meeting that happened back in March, not that the other options have been ruled out.
Needs an expert sign designer though...
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I went on a Portsmouth road trip this morning, with the main intention of photographing the unbuilt junction on the M275 at Tipner, before work gets underway next year.
I won't post the photos on this thread specifically, as there are 40 of them! They are all named "M275 Tipner, June 2007", and can be found in the Mxxx Photo Gallery.
Any questions, just ask.
I won't post the photos on this thread specifically, as there are 40 of them! They are all named "M275 Tipner, June 2007", and can be found in the Mxxx Photo Gallery.
Any questions, just ask.
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Have there been any changes since the PM Photo Gallery of Tipner?sotonsteve wrote:I went on a Portsmouth road trip this morning, with the main intention of photographing the unbuilt junction on the M275 at Tipner, before work gets underway next year.
I won't post the photos on this thread specifically, as there are 40 of them! They are all named "M275 Tipner, June 2007", and can be found in the Mxxx Photo Gallery.
Any questions, just ask.
Steven
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