Botched Roadsigns

[Bryn666]

There is, but that site hasn't got a TRO so a No U Turn roundel wouldn't be enforceable and the Police had no resources to deal with it. The sign was meant to be temporary though to stop people going into Sainsburys without using the Tesco roundabout - that situation has now been fixed by the new junction and the sign should have been removed.

How do I know that? I put it there.

[Bryn666]

As for the 'roundabout' sign - that would have been replaced as part of a plan to improve the cycle route off the canal onto the A641 - I left before that plan got funding and I think for all intents and purposes it's dead in the water.

[AndyB]

Not so much botched as outdated and misleading. It's a circular junction, but it doesn't have the priority rules of a roundabout - there are two give-way lines on the 'roundabout' itself, and A641 northbound to eastbound / westbound to southbound traffic gets priority above all else.

Even in its original form, this was only three-quarters of a roundabout; if you crossed the east side, from Lawson Road to A641 southbound (or u-turning from A641 northbound to southbound), you had to give way to traffic on the left.

Roundabouts don't have to be give way on entry. Know Your Traffic Signs has shown an example of one with give way lines on the circulating carriageway for many editions, and I think the old Driving Manual may also have done so in the 1970s.

[Truvelo]

Roundabouts don't have to be give way on entry. Know Your Traffic Signs has shown an example of one with give way lines on the circulating carriageway for many editions, and I think the old Driving Manual may also have done so in the 1970s.

I'm sure the roundabout on the A460 in Fallings Park was like that. Steven, do you remember it?

[AndyB]

I should clarify that the examples only had give way at particular points on the circulating carriageway - most entrances gave way.

Off the top of my head, Grosvenor Road roundabout at the Westlink in Belfast was signed as a roundabout, was partially signalised, and two if not four points in the circulation had give way lines so that opposite flows could get green lights while right turning traffic simply waited to clear.

[Chris Bertram]

Roundabouts don't have to be give way on entry. Know Your Traffic Signs has shown an example of one with give way lines on the circulating carriageway for many editions, and I think the old Driving Manual may also have done so in the 1970s.

I'm sure the roundabout on the A460 in Fallings Park was like that. Steven, do you remember it?

Sounds right to me. Also there's a give way line on the roundabout on the A456 Hagley Road in Quinton, by the former Hollybush pub, giving out-of-town traffic on the Hagley Road priority over traffic turning onto Quinton Lane or Ridgacre Lane.

[rhyds]

The A38/Lickey Road roundabout near the old Longbridge plant has a give way line to give priority to the A38 southbound flow.

[Chris Bertram]

The A38/Lickey Road roundabout near the old Longbridge plant has a give way line to give priority to the A38 southbound flow.

Also close to me, and well-justified.

[Arcuarius]

Roundabouts don't have to be give way on entry. Know Your Traffic Signs has shown an example of one with give way lines on the circulating carriageway for many editions, and I think the old Driving Manual may also have done so in the 1970s.

I'm sure the roundabout on the A460 in Fallings Park was like that. Steven, do you remember it?

Sounds right to me. Also there's a give way line on the roundabout on the A456 Hagley Road in Quinton, by the former Hollybush pub, giving out-of-town traffic on the Hagley Road priority over traffic turning onto Quinton Lane or Ridgacre Lane.

I lost a wheel trim there the other day

[AndyB]

As far as I know, and because the priority is reversed, all places where traffic on the roundabout gives way to traffic entering the roundabout are signed with Reg 25 Give way signs and double give way lines.

[Chris5156]

Not so much botched as outdated and misleading. It's a circular junction, but it doesn't have the priority rules of a roundabout - there are two give-way lines on the 'roundabout' itself, and A641 northbound to eastbound / westbound to southbound traffic gets priority above all else.

Even in its original form, this was only three-quarters of a roundabout; if you crossed the east side, from Lawson Road to A641 southbound (or u-turning from A641 northbound to southbound), you had to give way to traffic on the left.

Roundabouts don't have to be give way on entry. Know Your Traffic Signs has shown an example of one with give way lines on the circulating carriageway for many editions, and I think the old Driving Manual may also have done so in the 1970s.

Yes, I believe that's correct, and had I had time the other day, I was going to post something similar.

There's a roundabout on the A660 in West Park, Leeds that is arranged this way.

[ForestChav]

Like the junction at the north end of the A6097 where traffic staying on the A614 has right of way in either direction.

Traffic moving from the A6097 to the northbound A614 needs to give way first to turn left onto the junction then to turn right onto the A614.

[Truvelo]

This roundabout in Compton has two give ways to joining traffic. Are there any roundabouts where every entry has priority over circulating traffic?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.58725 ... 6656?hl=en

[Big L]

This roundabout in Compton has two give ways to joining traffic. Are there any roundabouts where every entry has priority over circulating traffic?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.58725 ... 6656?hl=en

Similar, on the other side of Wolverhampton.

[Steven]

Roundabouts don't have to be give way on entry. Know Your Traffic Signs has shown an example of one with give way lines on the circulating carriageway for many editions, and I think the old Driving Manual may also have done so in the 1970s.

I'm sure the roundabout on the A460 in Fallings Park was like that. Steven, do you remember it?

Yes, it was like that up until a few years ago. It's now marked as a standard roundabout.

[vlad]

This roundabout in Horwich has the roundabout giving way to two out of three of the joining roads. There's a "keep clear" section for the third road so you might have to give way sometimes.

[Bryn666]

Yes, I know that one well, it works relatively well too. If it was a conventional roundabout there'd be no visibility.

[Truvelo]

At least this sign won't need changing if we move to driving on the right

[MotorwayGuy]

Hmm, Very nice.

[Beardy5632]

A470?

A470?!

A470?!?! (and A4102?)