Ha ha ha! It means the infamous guess the speed limit game. Is it 40? Is it 30? Is it neither of those?

(with apologies to Harry Hill) "The sign says 40. The roundel says 30. But which is better? There's only one way to find out!"

Can't even meet them in the middle and do 35, although that would be interesting if you got a ticket going through a camera there.

'll have a wander around in the next couple of days, but I think most of the signs round that area have been replaced in readiness for the new bridge opening imminently.

Could that be one of the roads where the limit was raised to 40 last year?

Yes, the limit was raised to 40mph from 30mph. At the time they burnt off this, and some other 30mph road markings (some still within the 30mph zone, leaving ugly red tarmac with a burnt out 30mph on it). This has been repainted subsequent to being burnt off.

Some new signs to parking just gone up around here... Will try and get some pics next time I pass one.

E.g. one with a huge white panel split into three with horizontal lines. Only the top section filled in.. with:

[P] ^ City Centre

(Where ^ is an ahead arrow.) Assuming they are meant to be diagram 2505, should the arrow not be to the left, rather than in the middle?

(BTW, as I was going that way, I followed one of these.. no more signs, nor any indication of any parking..)

I've seen these as well, they look very odd - presumably the blank panels will have patches applied to them in due course.

Also, which city centre is it referring to? Salford? Manchester?

Yes, that was another thought!


(Bonus points for telling me why the black sign is [now] wrong..)

Edit: only just noticed the crap alignment of the wording, now I'm not trying to watch the traffic as well..

It appears to be directing HGVs left at the next junction, but there's a no-left-turn sign at the traffic lights.

And that sign should have an arrow anyway, not a chevron. It's only petty but I don't think Eastleigh Borough has a single one of these correct, so it really gets on my nerves!

I'm trying to figure out why there are two big blank panels on these signs? If patching is to be applied, they'll no doubt eventually look a mess.


These new turning restrictions have proven to be a bit of a sore point. Right turns are now banned off Chapel Street at the Adelphi Street/Oldfield Road junction. TfGM were not happy when I told them about it, as they had not been notified and meant they had to make some very short notice changes to a (tendered) service's route. Put it this way, one banned turning has meant a two miles of this service cannot legally be operated in one direction due to the restriction.

There's a new no-right-turn (except busses) on Oldfield Road northbound into Regent Road too, that has caused a bit of confusion too. (I posted a picture of the botched signs a while back, before they corrected them.) The fire that closed Chester Road the other day threw a lot of traffic up here, and an awful lot were illegally turning right there, blocking the ahead-only lane while they waited to do so, and therefore just adding to the chaos..

Yet, that would be completely unnecesary if people ignored the TOTSO and continued up Ordsall Lane to Regent Road where the right turn is still permitted. Unless, that is, there was a lengthy queue and people were making the illegal turn to jump ahead.

Seen at the M5 roadworks this morning:-

"MAJOR WORKS CARRIED OUT AT NIGHT FOR SAFTEY REASONS"

They were thinking the A329(M) might eventually end up around there, but the temporary stub has been signed incorrectly with a 'sharp deviation of route' chevron. Whoops!

The red and white barrier marking would have been correct. Like this:

http://g.co/maps/3vkzu

I'd also have a keep right sign above each also.

But I suspect the OP for this botch may be thinking it's a botch because it's an unprotected series of posts and concrete blocks in the carriageway as opposed to having a keep left sign (and possibly red/white barrier) at the head where the hatchings begin (sign on the central reserve), and then just the hatchings doing the talking, with a further keep left and red/white barrier in the grass where the tarmac actually stops.

This seems to work on the end of the M67 as you head towards Mottram Moor

Incidentally, what made them stop? It looks like they got almost there with the A3290, and then gave up with less than a mile to go, and a clear corridor next to the railway line, leaving the A3290 ending so conspicuously where it shouldn't. They even have VMS signs on the gantry!

Seems it would have taken a lot of traffic between South Oxfordshire and London out of Henley as well.

Like what always stops urban roads - NIMBYs and probably a shedload of utility diversions that looked too scary to move.