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 Post subject: Re: Why does the A1(M) start at junction 1?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 17:18 
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Here's an idea: when they've finished upgrading the A1 to motorway standard between Dishforth and Scotch Corner there'll be a motorway all the way from London to Newcastle. Why not rename the A1(M) from Leeds to Newcastle the M1? :)


Welcome to SABRE! As you can imagine this idea has been suggested before, more than once! Especially as the M1 takes the mainline at Hook Moor (the M1/A1(M) split north of Leeds). It's a bit strange that the M1 suddenly turns into the A1(M).

But there's no sign of that happening. Besides what happens to the A1, disappears? Not the A1, no that can't happen!


In this scenario, I've seen it suggested before that the fully upgraded A1 could be given the dormant M10 number. Besides issues with it being too soon after the M10's downgrade, wouldn't this distance be too long for an M** road? Despite not looking at all neat in the zones, surely it's time for an M7 :?: :o


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 Post subject: Re: Why does the A1(M) start at junction 1?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 17:46 
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Never going to happen. So many businesses depend on being "near" or "just off" a main road, that any sort of renumbering on that scale would be catastrophic. I'm amazed the M62 / M63 got renunbered to M60 - probably caused merry hell from Eccles to Stockport.

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 Post subject: Re: Why does the A1(M) start at junction 1?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 18:19 
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Never going to happen. So many businesses depend on being "near" or "just off" a main road, that any sort of renumbering on that scale would be catastrophic. I'm amazed the M62 / M63 got renunbered to M60 - probably caused merry hell from Eccles to Stockport.


The guy at Stockport who opened "Junction 12 Tyres" in 1997 was most displeased when J12 became J1 a year later...

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 Post subject: Re: Why does the A1(M) start at junction 1?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 20:55 
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Mark Hewitt wrote:
But there's no sign of that happening. Besides what happens to the A1, disappears? Not the A1, no that can't happen!
Rename the old A1 alignment back to the A1. Let's see:
A1 DC Knottingly to Weatherby
A168 Weatherby to Topcliffe
A167 Topcliffe to Newcastle

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I'm amazed the M62 / M63 got renunbered to M60 - probably caused merry hell from Eccles to Stockport.
That made sense as a single-number orbital motorway. Not that it made much sense on the ground as they changed all the signs the weekend I went by car to collect my then-wife from Manchester Airport, and ended up going back to Sheffield via Halifax, having having turned off to Bury instead of Hyde.


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 Post subject: Re: Why does the A1(M) start at junction 1?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 01:12 
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isn't this a similar kettle of fish to the renumbering of A74(M) to M6?

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 Post subject: Re: Why does the A1(M) start at junction 1?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 16:31 
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WHBM wrote:
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.......distance numbering has its own problems.

Take M8 in Glasgow - J17/18/19 would be in the same kilometre, so you'd have (hypothetically) M8 J44A, 44B, 44C etc...

No, they would have been 43, 44 and 45 for such few instances. The Distance measurement doesn't have to be to a surveyor's precision, numbers can be adapted to suit.


I think that's exactly right, as the level of accuracy only needs to be appropriate for the purpose. When navigating on a motorway it isn't really necessary for distance information to be especially accurate.

There are several ways of doing this. The Americans, who have a lot of urban freeways with very closely spaced exits, seem to use letter suffixes (See: Los Angeles. I think that is only really necessary where there are many very closely spaced exits, not just a few.

In South Africa there are a few places where there are a number of very closely spaced exits such as here in Cape Town. Here though the letter suffixes are where a single exit (junction) has more than one physical ramp in a particular direction, such as a cloverleaf, where a driver has to take a different ramp depending on whether they want to turn to the left or right. In this case there probably aren't enough closely spaced exits in succession to suffix them.

All in all, I think the difficulties are less than with sequential numbering, but it's probably a bit late to change now. The other big advantage is on roads where there are numbered and unnumbered sections (I'm thinking of the A1/A1(M)) as the numbering can end and resume more easily.


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