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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 13:08 
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Am I missing something here? Why should the Highways Agency be covering a scheme on the A344? The works on the A303 will be minimal, and of course this has been done temporarily before.

The HA will kerb across the A344 jct, all other works will be carried out by English Heritage contract.


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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 15:27 
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Looks good. Did anyone notice how long the video on the EH website was? 3.44! Coincidence? (Uncanny).

Of course without doing something with the A303, the benefits of the scheme will be minimised. Best that could be done, short of removing it, (pigs might fly) is some form of screening or embankment between the stones and the road.

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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 16:33 
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Of course without doing something with the A303, the benefits of the scheme will be minimised. Best that could be done, short of removing it, (pigs might fly) is some form of screening or embankment between the stones and the road.
Reuniting the Avenue with the stones will be of untold benefit to our ancestors and we may be able to collectively remember something that has been lost over the centuries.


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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 16:40 
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Reuniting the Avenue with the stones will be of untold benefit to our ancestors and we may be able to collectively remember something that has been lost over the centuries.

Oh come on, that's just a silly rose tinted view. It's far more important to keep the country's infastructure running, and that means keeping principal trunk routes flowing well. There are plenty of important memories around the former Western Front in France and Belgium, but that didn't stop the A16, A25 and A26 being built over the top of bits of them.

Anyway, how are people going to get to Stonehenge in the first place? Walk?

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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 21:27 
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I hope the A344 will remain at least a footpath.

I'm surpised the car park is being moved so far away. Good thing the A303 is there or it would be impossible for my family ever to see the stones again without paying a large admission fee (£29.70 at current prices)

I may object to any future A303 "bypass" on the grounds that it would make it impossible for my kids to see the most historic monument in the country without forking out thirty quid.

My other objection of course will be that the A303 is hundreds of thousands of years older than those stones and they were only put there because the location was adjacent to the A303 (Harroway) therefore diverting the A303 would destroy the stones proper environment and ruin the site

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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 21:31 
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I've probably mentioned it before, but I can clearly recall stopping on a family roadtrip on the A344 by the side of the road c. 1979 / 80 as a small child, getting out, and running through and around Stonehenge for a bit of light exercise. No amenities, no visitor centre, nothing.

That is a much better way of remembering what things were really like for our ancestors here. They certainly didn't need a giftshop.

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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
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Agreed, I too have childhood memories of running round the stones before they were fenced off. I think it was free then too. Unfortunately we did not have a football in the car as they would have made excellent goalposts. :laugh:


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I vaguely recall visiting Stonehenge with my mum and dad in the early 1970s and the current visitor centre and tunnel being there, although having paid your admission you were allowed to walk amongst the stones. According to Wikipedia, the stones were roped off in 1977.

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Well it's possible my memory dates from 1977 then, though I was only 3 at the time. I can clearly remember on the same journey that the A303 ended at a large roundabout-esque junction with the A30 near Micheldever Station (similar to the A30/ A325 junction further up) if that helps date it. (Yes, I've been a road enthusiast since birth!)

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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
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Ritchie333 wrote:
Well it's possible my memory dates from 1977 then, though I was only 3 at the time. I can clearly remember on the same journey that the A303 ended at a large roundabout-esque junction with the A30 near Micheldever Station (similar to the A30/ A325 junction further up) if that helps date it. (Yes, I've been a road enthusiast since birth!)



I remember that, it was a triangular "roundabout" and normal priorities did not apply, basically the A30-A303 route had priority and you therefore had to give way in the middle of the "roundabout" if going on or from a different route. Part of it still remains as the old A303 there is the westbound on slip to the new one and the old A30 remains. Was done about 1983. It was low pressure sodium lit but the streelighting is now long gone.

A322/A329 junction is a bit similar


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Most of the rest of the rbt is still there, in the bushes. When I looked around about 5 years ago, it was empty but more recently, had some gypsies on site. A visit now may result in a friendly threat and an affectionate bite out of your leg by one of the dogs.

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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
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This is the spot you're talking about, yeah?


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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
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crazyknightsfan wrote:
This is the spot you're talking about, yeah?


That's it.


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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
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RichardA35 wrote:
Reuniting the Avenue with the stones will be of untold benefit to our ancestors and we may be able to collectively remember something that has been lost over the centuries.

Oh come on, that's just a silly rose tinted view. It's far more important to keep the country's infastructure running, and that means keeping principal trunk routes flowing well. There are plenty of important memories around the former Western Front in France and Belgium, but that didn't stop the A16, A25 and A26 being built over the top of bits of them.

Anyway, how are people going to get to Stonehenge in the first place? Walk?


The N17 now has a dual carriageway extension along the foot of the Vimy ridge, so there are still roads being routed across battlegrounds.

Stonehenge tunnel with old road turned into an access route for tourists would be nice at some stage in the next millennium....

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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
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EngineerAl wrote:
Yeah me!! I'm Principal Traffic Engineer at Wilts County. Not sure why project at Longbarrow isn't shown for Area 2...but it's happening, probably late September start. Everything needs to be complete for late March 2013 for the A344 stopping up order.

Have a look here; http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/days ... proposals/

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There's a couple of schemes going to be happening in the vicinity of the stones on the A303. The A344 will be stopped up at the end of March 2013 and the length of A344 sdjacent to the stones returned to grassland.

Do you have a source for that? I can't see anything on the list of Area 2 projects that says that's going to be done any time soon.


How much work will there be in August and will it cause much disruption on the A360?


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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
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Works impacting on the A303 won't commence until after the ORN embargo which ends on September 9th. Works on Airmans Cross conversion to RAB start on July 9th. A further issue that will impact on the Area, Network Rail are closing Broken Cross bridge on the A338 for 3 months from the end of July, so the A360 will be busy with diverted traffic.


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There's a couple of schemes going to be happening in the vicinity of the stones on the A303. The A344 will be stopped up at the end of March 2013 and the length of A344 sdjacent to the stones returned to grassland.

Do you have a source for that? I can't see anything on the list of Area 2 projects that says that's going to be done any time soon.
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 Post subject: Re: Sabre gets a mention - The A303, Highway to the Sun
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 13:33 
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There was an item on the BBC1 lunchtime news just now about work starting on the Stonehenge visitor centre and the A344 closure.

Not a word to suggest that there is another road near the site!


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