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 Post subject: Roads that have dropped into the sea
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 00:50 
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When out on the East Riding of Yorkshire, I stopped off at a village called Aldbrough and followed signs for the "The Sea". This brought me to an interesting location on the coast - Mount Pleasant:
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It's easy to spot, even without an arrow. Anyway - look at the map (circa 1999). See where the campsite is on that map? That's now the cliff edge, with several caravans sat right next to the cliff.
While there, the road just ends at a barrier, with a warning sign that reads "Road Subject To Coastal Erosion" complete with Quayside orRiverbanksign.
I spoke with a resident of the house that's now 12 feet away from the cliff edge (he was sat in his garden and was intrigued at me taking photos of a bit of road). He explained the situation, and one can clearly see the pipeline under the road sticking out into the air after a previous collapse that claimed the house next door.
He said his house had 5 years left before it too falls into the sea, along with the camp site.
So, are there any other roads like this - and if so, where?

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The Southern coast of the Isle of Wight (Ventnor et al) - Blackgang Chine is a theme park based on the assumption that the park self-renews, with old attractions falling into the sea, and new ones being built inland.
Also the north norfolk coast has the same erosion problems occuring (Overstrand springs to mind)
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Funny you mentioned Overstrand - I spent a weekend there back in May, and when I went down to their beach, the cliff was basically just a ruddy great concrete wall!

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Interesting topic. I have seen costal erosion at the Isle Of Wight, its amazing to think of how it happens and how much damage is caused. Does anyone have any more pics?


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Bryn666: <<So, are there any other roads like this - and if so, where?>>
I imagine there's lots of examples just the same elsewhere along the Yorkshire coast line. The whole thing is soft clay as far in land as York, dumped there in the last ice age. It's wearing away very fast- remember the hotel that vanished in Scarborough? Apparently in a few thousand years (not long in planetary terms) York will be on the coast.
Anyway - try any small coastal town. Bridlington was, not so long ago, an inland market town - anything that's coastal now will probably have had roads leading out to sea fairly recently.
<<He said his house had 5 years left before it too falls into the sea, along with the camp site.>>
Poor sod! I hope he's either found a very stupid buyer or he has plenty of money... I don't think the insurance will pay out.
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The North East coast of the Isle of Sheppey (which is a bit of a grim place all round to be honest...) has plenty of erosion problems. Warden and Leysdown seem badly affected.

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Chris:
Poor sod! I hope he's either found a very stupid buyer or he has plenty of money... I don't think the insurance will pay out.

They won't pay out, no. However, it is only really a holiday home (he hails from Wakefield (much to my dad's 'disgust' - he's still living in the war of the roses ;-)), and, if he can find an available plot of land, he can simply get a large truck and move the property (it's been designed that way).
Unfourtanetly, he hasn't had any stupid buyers...although, the house at present is actually worthless.

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Bryn666: <<They won't pay out, no. However, it is only really a holiday home (he hails from Wakefield (much to my dad's 'disgust' - he's still living in the war of the roses ;-))>>
Oh is he?
I think there's a conspiracy. Yorkshire is vanishing in the east and Lancashire is gaining land in the west (see Southport and Formby)! You're trying to kill us off on our eastern frontier!
I notice now that MSN has two red rose icons but no white rose... something wrong there.
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When Yorkshire starts losing motorways -THAT'Sthecue to worry!
Perhaps this could be why there's no East Coast Motorway yet - in case it drops into the sea....

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What with that *and* global warming - will there be any of Yorkshire left? Image
According to something I read, Doncaster will be on the coast eventually - gadzooks!


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.... and I am even now buying up (Lex Luthor style) as much ocean-front property as I can in Wheatley Hills, Stainforth, and Bentley-on-Sea...

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The Environment Agency says five million people in two million properties are at risk of flooding. They don't mention how many roads are in danger, somehow arriving at the conclusion they are less important than people or property. Dolts!
Britain is very gradually 'tipping' towards the south and east, but the effects of global warming mean that coasts everywhere in the UK are vulnerable to sea flooding. Defences are being shored up, but that's expensive and the Government has changed its policy to allow the sea to claim land that becomes too difficult to defend. So far, this only applies to fairly low-grade agricultural land.
The erosion is slow - but occasionally dramatic (as at the previously-mentioned hotel at Scarborough.) Dunwich in Suffolk used to be a decent-sized port a few hundred years ago. Now it has mostly been swallowed up. There's an interesting museum there with a 3-D 'then' and 'now' model. There are other straws in the wind. For example, the causeway to Holy Island in Northumberland is open less often than it used to be because the tide stays higher for longer.
The experts don't agree with each other, but it could be that in 100 years' time matters are considerably worse. It could be that roads are having to be diverted, rebuilt on stilts or closed altogether. First A-roads to go under? Maybe the A149 in north Norfolk, or the A17 across the Fens between south Lincolnshire and King's Lynn. First motorway to be rebult or diverted? M5 in Somerset, maybe.
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One of the most dramatic roads falling into the sea is near ruined Hopton Church at Cove in Suffolk. Here the road ends by falling literally into the sea. Thankfully there is a fence to stop you driving any further!
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=652695&y=281945&z=3&sv=652500,281500&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf
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Another example of a road and the sea is the case of Mappleton in East Yorkshire. Here a few years ago it came to light that the former Humberside County Council had planned a diversion of the B1242 further inland away from the village. This implied of course that the county council were intending to leave the village to its fate by the incroaching sea, rather than spend the money on sea defences.
[url=http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=522418&y=444227&z=3&sv=mappleton&st=3&tl=Mappleton,+East+Riding+of+Yorkshire+[Town]&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf]http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=522418&y=444227&z=3&sv=mappleton&st=3&tl=Mappleton,+East+Riding+of+Yorkshire+[Town]&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf[/url]
I don't know what the present situation is at Mappleton.
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quite substantial parts of the minor road between sea house and the parking on this holy island: wasn't the reason they built the current causeway where they did becasue the flow patterns over the sands changed making the old causeway route (pre tarmac) impasssible even at some low tides?
the old 'pilgrims way' cuts across the sands to holy island village to the S of the causeway road [how many other causeway refuges are there?]


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Its scary to think really what is happening. Also leaving a road to drop down to the sea is danagerous, something that someone mental might try snd drive off!


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As far as I could tell with Mappleton, the road still runs through - the B road does, however, curve sharply inland after that point. The sea defences are quite extensive at all the villages though that are close to the sea.

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First A road to go? The A3055 on the Isle of Wight is shown in my 2003 AA Atlasas a u/c for part of the SE coastal bit with a 'road closed due to erosion-use diversion via Whitewell' label.

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Looks like it. My 2004 AA Atlas shows exactly the same for the affected bit of the A3055.
Interestingly, the 'bit missing' is reminiscent of the scenario with the A625 at Mam Tor before they renumbered around it. My 1992 Collins Road Atlas shows the affected part of the A625 with the label "Road currently closed to through traffic", although by that time it was apparent that the Mam Tor closure was permanent.
I'm not familiar with the Isle of Wight, but I have a feeling that it's not going to be as easy to renumber around this closure!
Another road at risk is the South Shields - Whitburn section of the A183 at Marsden as parts of the cliffs there- some of which are perilously close to the road - have already fallen into the sea.


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Coastal erosion has also claimed part of the Spurn Headis also likely to be lost soon.


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