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 Post subject: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 14:34 
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The HA have sent me a document detailing the route of the Scheme.
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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 16:53 
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mehere wrote:
The HA have sent me a document detailing the route of the Scheme.


Thanks for this - do you know when the HA (or whoever) prepared this map?


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 17:10 
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Yeah thanks for the info.

Looks like the plan may have been from before the Ferrybridge bit was built as it doesn't show that as a motorway, just an arrow in the general direction.

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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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1994 they said.
Im waiting on the guy emailing back as I asked about the fact that the two schemes that went along with it in the list such as A180 and Castle street hull have now been published.
When he does il post it up here.


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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It looks like the unique 5-ramp GSJ at Redhouse will bite the dust, probably to be replaced with a boring dumbbell :@


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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Looks interesting. I guess there would be no need for another junction between the A638 and M62 besides the A639.


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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The cartography looked very old. If it had been presented as a map from the '50s I would have gone along with it.


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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Truvelo wrote:
It looks like the unique 5-ramp GSJ at Redhouse will bite the dust, probably to be replaced with a boring dumbbell :@


Theres a thing on the net somewhere northern way i think which shows it to be a standard junction to the west with the A638 and the existing kind of retained but reduced to a single carrigeway , i cant see them demolishing that bridge as it would be too expensive


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 22:02 
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But will it ever get built? That's the key question! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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But will it ever get built? That's the key question! :wink:


Breath holding not advised. On the other hand, who knows, the 21st century is still young...

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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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I await the answer from the HA as i said earlier they listed it ages ago alongside castle street etc.
They have been annouced a few months apart so who knows.
And if they are to do any kind of ATM they will need to sort that terrible bit of A1 out. Though how ATM will fix the doncaster by-pass with it escapes me , it should have been a D£ straight away but i would imagine it went back to an S2.
That section upto ferrybridge is so twisty and hilly the petrol station at barnsdale bar going south is downright suicidal making cars and trucks pull out at a snails pace trying to get a gap in the near solid line of traffic all the while folk are getting into lane one to slow for the junction right next to it, which itself is like a flipping u turn.
I recal back in 2005 when a van went over the went bridge the road was shut for so long it caused chaos.
Then you have that crazy merge from the old A1 now A162 which comes off at a right angle to the new mainline which itself is on a bend.
I seem to remember a HA bloke saying it was up for a redesign then.
one thing id like to know though is, when and if it is done will they need to alter the current bridge there in a big way to provide a full way junction or will they build another alongisde to create a roundabout above the new motorway.
After all you will have the local access roads either side of the motorway needing to be linked somehow and all access movements north to south etc.


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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Many thanks for that, mehere. Even if they aren't active proposals, that's still an interesting historical reference to the scheme - certaintly the only one I've ever seen.


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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This really does need upgrading -- on a Bank Holiday Friday I drove all the way from Newcastle to London down the A1, and the only serious congestion was this stretch between the M62 and M18.

Sadly the proposals to revive it have been postponed yet again due to lack of funds...

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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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it has to qualify as the worst section of A1 on the north after the current bit being rebuilt.
It has allways struck me as odd that it was never simply included in the scheme when they did the ferrybridge section.
Surley that bridge is going to need a serious bit of alteration when it is finally done.
I think perhaps they also need to do some saftey schemes along there soon to at least sort out some of the terrible junctions like the one i mentioned at barnsdale


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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mehere wrote:
Though how ATM will fix the doncaster by-pass with it escapes me

One of the problems with the A1(M) between Blyth and Redhouse is the width of the hard shoulder - it's sub-standard, around 3m if memory serves. So ATM can't be implemented on there until at least some minimal widening takes place. The amount of effort required to stick, say, an extra metre on isn't that much different to adding an extra lane, kerching£££. Then there's Don Viaduct, which would be a major scheme in itself. Coupled with how tight things are immediately south of the viaduct, (railway underbridge, housing both sides, rock cutting, junction within spitting distance), that won't be an easy bit to sort out.

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I don't know the topography of the area but would an offline scheme a-la Ferrybridge be feasible?

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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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Not sure tbh as it would be stupidly expensive, i reckon they would need to build a second bridge next to the don one to take the new carrigeway but where to find the room for the rest?
god knows.
pehaps offline is better or shut the junction before the M180 then it can be demolished and make room for D3


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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Mark Hewitt wrote:
I don't know the topography of the area but would an offline scheme a-la Ferrybridge be feasible?


An offline scheme to improve an already excellently aligned motorway? That would need some justification. But just look at the OS mapping around J36. No new route seems possible without eating up the remaining undeveloped land in the area.

I would have thought some width could be gained for the carriageways by reducing the central reservation to a concrete barrier.


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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
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Narrow lanes and a concrete barrier would easily get 3 lanes through A1(M) J36. I don't think 3.65m wide lanes are vital there, reduce to 3m, possibly with either a 50 or 60 limit and problems will be solved.

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 Post subject: Re: A1(m) Redhouse - Darrington
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 18:00 
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At Last!!!! I got a reply from the HA
they are also sending me a leaflet about the scheme.
Firt off it is on hold again..... :(
however THe upshot I got from the bloke is that ATM is being considered for that stretch however it is proving a problem so probably will end being widened as by all accounts the Hard shoulders are acutally not wide enough or not standard.


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