Signalised junctions with unsignalised pedestrian crossings

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Bryn666 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 14:37 Don't always rely on the two tone distinction though - in conservation areas the requirement is merely contrasting.
Not a conservation area, but this was an attempt to provide more contrast given the pre-existing red block paving.
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That isn’t a bad solution, actually.
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There are a couple I use in Wrexham frequently.

The worst one is at the B&Q roundabout here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/cqaKZ7CZ2h8ES5JW6
You have only a couple of seconds between the two sets of lights changing, not like you can even see what the lights are set to, so you just have to go off which traffic is stood still. The best opportunity is if there is little traffic turning from Plas Coch towards Wrexham, but even at peak times you can be waiting ages.
This one at the same roundabout I actively avoid as the traffic is constant https://maps.app.goo.gl/PBhWjDTnamQgmzzk9

This one (https://maps.app.goo.gl/tM5kQepHFtfU2aNbA) isn't as bad as at each crossing the traffic is one direction only but can still cause extermly long waiting times as the traffic from the Mold Road onto Grovesnor Road only gets paused by the traffic lights further up once in a blue moon.
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Re: Signalised junctions with unsignalised pedestrian crossings

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traffic-light-man wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 20:28
Craig91 wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 22:51 This junction was updated not long ago and has no pedestrian signals, perhaps because the number of pedestrians is relatively low?
I'm really not a fan of that junction now...

If you look at all the crossing points, there are actually retention sockets in all the correct* places for poles to support signal control presumably as an element of future-proofing. If you've gone that far, though, it's difficult to understand why you wouldn't just go all the way and install the pedestrian equipment, especially given the actual crossing points have been completely reconstructed during the works as well.

*Apart from the one on the nearside of the southern exit arm, that one is in a useless location slap bang in the centre of a narrow footway.
Interestingly some work has begun to change tactile paving to red on at least some of the crossings.
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Re: Signalised junctions with unsignalised pedestrian crossings

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Garsty wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 16:20 There are a couple I use in Wrexham frequently.

The worst one is at the B&Q roundabout here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/cqaKZ7CZ2h8ES5JW6
You have only a couple of seconds between the two sets of lights changing, not like you can even see what the lights are set to, so you just have to go off which traffic is stood still. The best opportunity is if there is little traffic turning from Plas Coch towards Wrexham, but even at peak times you can be waiting ages.
This one at the same roundabout I actively avoid as the traffic is constant https://maps.app.goo.gl/PBhWjDTnamQgmzzk9

This one (https://maps.app.goo.gl/tM5kQepHFtfU2aNbA) isn't as bad as at each crossing the traffic is one direction only but can still cause extermly long waiting times as the traffic from the Mold Road onto Grovesnor Road only gets paused by the traffic lights further up once in a blue moon.
Wrexham seems to be a fan of overly-complicated layouts and inconsistent pedestrians facilitates. This looks fun to use. Why does this exist?

I don't think I've even seen anything like this weird double crossing. Why are there two sets of stop lines when there are only signal heads at the first? No motor vehicles or no entry? This junction has facilites on three arms but not this one. If it has a dedicated pedestrian phase anyway, why not include it on all arms? This set was installed brand new in 2022 and has none whatsoever. It is a rural location with low pedestrian footfall but with the Welsh government supposedly promoting active travel it seems insane not to include anything to assist pedestrians.
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