M42 - Britain's worst motorway!
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M42 - Britain's worst motorway!
Before anyone points out things like the M898 or the Walton Summit Motorway I'm not looking for the worst design, I'm looking for the most unsuitable.
The M42 is abysmal for many many reasons:
1. Is 14 miles too short
2. Is D2 on all those hills past Tamworth causing huuuuuuge queues behind truck racing.
3. That southbound comedy merge into the M6 Toll
4. That insane northbound exit from the M6 Toll - lane 2 just splits down the middle which is fun at high speed
5. The worst blend of commuter traffic, long distance AND events traffic anywhere - bad enough when the NEC isn't busy, avoid-at-all-costs when it is
6. They spent zillions on Active Traffic Management without actually letting us use the hard shoulder - see point 5
7. They spent zillions on ATM but didn't replace the hideously worn concrete surface
8. A TOTSO with the M40
9. Hopwood Park MSA. Icky.
The M42 is abysmal for many many reasons:
1. Is 14 miles too short
2. Is D2 on all those hills past Tamworth causing huuuuuuge queues behind truck racing.
3. That southbound comedy merge into the M6 Toll
4. That insane northbound exit from the M6 Toll - lane 2 just splits down the middle which is fun at high speed
5. The worst blend of commuter traffic, long distance AND events traffic anywhere - bad enough when the NEC isn't busy, avoid-at-all-costs when it is
6. They spent zillions on Active Traffic Management without actually letting us use the hard shoulder - see point 5
7. They spent zillions on ATM but didn't replace the hideously worn concrete surface
8. A TOTSO with the M40
9. Hopwood Park MSA. Icky.
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There's a good reason for the TOTSO.
Of course, most of the problems with the M42 are simply to do with its age and the desperate penny-pinching that went on at that time.
It's also missing the northern spur to the M5, which would be an improvement!
Of course, most of the problems with the M42 are simply to do with its age and the desperate penny-pinching that went on at that time.
It's also missing the northern spur to the M5, which would be an improvement!
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I'm confused. Do you really mean the M5, or did you mean the extension to the M1?Steven wrote:It's also missing the northern spur to the M5, which would be an improvement!
By no means the worst MSA on the network. I would choose to stop there rather than some of the others.9. Hopwood Park MSA. Icky.
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Yes, I really mean the M5.M4Simon wrote:I'm confused. Do you really mean the M5, or did you mean the extension to the M1?Steven wrote:It's also missing the northern spur to the M5, which would be an improvement!
The "M42 Northern Turn" was junked in the late 1970s, which is why the northern movements at the present M5 J4a opened later than the southern movements.
It would have gone from somewhere just east of J1 (which would not have existed in the original plans) up to just north of M5 J4, with a link to that junction.
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With you now.
Is the change in location of the northern link to the M5 that detrimental to the M42 motorway?
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Is the change in location of the northern link to the M5 that detrimental to the M42 motorway?
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Not really - but it's another example of cost saving that went on during the construction process. Mind you, it would make the journey that way around Birmingham a bit shorter!M4Simon wrote:With you now.
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I reckon that the section between the M5 and M40 isn't too bad, Hopwood Park services are nowhere near the worst I've been to, and a TOTSO isn't the end of the world. But the rest of the M42 (and A42!) makes it, without doubt IMO, the worst UK motorway I've travelled on. I haven't been on it since the ATM or the M6 Toll were introduced, but it was bad enough without them. God knows what it must be like by now.
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Nose to tail presumablymittfh wrote:Just out of curiosity, did they use ATM / hard shoulder running during Crufts? If not, why not? I heard that the queues were just as bad as ever...
I didn't think the full implementation of ATM was due to come in until 2007 or 2008?
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Re: M42 - Britain's worst motorway!
I agree with you on these two. I've had to use this merge a couple of times over the past couple of years and hated it every time. I'd love to know what the accident rate is here because every time I've used it, I've always had to watch out for people quickly changing lanes causing everyone around them to swerve or brake sharply.Roadtripper_Ian wrote: 3. That southbound comedy merge into the M6 Toll
4. That insane northbound exit from the M6 Toll - lane 2 just splits down the middle which is fun at high speed
I don't mind concrete surfaces, but the one on the M42 really is in need of replacing, it's awful.7. They spent zillions on ATM but didn't replace the hideously worn concrete surface
Agreed. I'm not a fan of the M42. Thankfully I hardly ever use it - only really for the NEC when something decent is there. My own nomination for the worst motorway wolud either have to be the M8 (formation driving or what? Stay in the middle lane and hope you remain on the motorway!) or most of the M60 (particularly the Southern and Western half).I'd say it bad- but not the wost.
M42-britains worst motorway!
It is bad. But it isn't as bad as some of the others (e.g. M271 and the M49)
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Not wishing to sound like one of the beard and sandals brigade, but the environmental impact of such a route would be horrendous - it would just about destroy the Lickey Hills.Steven wrote:Not really - but it's another example of cost saving that went on during the construction process. Mind you, it would make the journey that way around Birmingham a bit shorter!M4Simon wrote:With you now.
Is the change in location of the northern link to the M5 that detrimental to the M42 motorway?
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The M271 is bad.Dave908 wrote:It is bad. But it isn't as bad as some of the others (e.g. M271 and the M49)
My own contenders would have to be the M60 and the M8. The M60 in my opinion is very poorly designed and the TOTSO when you get to the M66 junction is a joke. It was much easier to understand in my opinion when it was M62/M63/M66. Turning three motorways into one has just caused confusion.
As for the M8....where do I start?! In short, 'Formation Driving' at it's scariest and unless you stick somewhere in the middle of the road, you'll end up pulling off somewhere using the inside or outside lane(s)! You need to know where you are going before using this motorway...!