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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 09:32 
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we drove 62 miles to Seaford on a Geograph trip before the clocks went back, and two days later was looking at the gallery here and saw it's been increased (although still a few wrong 'uns hanging about) and discovered 400 yards along the road where we turned to go to the sea was what I think is the first known PW direction sign in Sussex.

Did you notice this one in Seaford, or is this the one you are referring to above? The sign is definitely still there as I only took the photo about 4 weeks ago. Shame about that damn EDR symbol though - they even managed to cover part of the road number. Is nothing sacred!


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 15:49 
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I like that EDR symbol being there- it's an interesting contrast.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 20:05 
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B4210, looks much better 'in the flesh'.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 02:46 
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Yes, that's the one in Seaford. What are the chances of driving 62 miles somewhere for the first time, getting back and two days later finding there was a direction sign there? Pretty slim I think, I wasn't looking for any there, just checking the gallery. I decided to make up for it by going to New Cross yet again as it's a bit of a goldmine and although limited to outside the charging times have been a few times already as each time I do someone points out I'd missed one. But over time a total of five (well not today) emerged, three headrooms and these classics, which neither appear to exist anywhere else in the country, within a single mile of each other. I knew two headrooms for a while and vaguely thought there had been another, but after checking the 10 or so bridges gave up and found the final one had been next to the last I found as it was on a small roundabout. You can't win 'em all but these two were my main objectives as I had neither already (as you'd expect if no others elsewhere) and although every headroom is a different height so all unique till you get a repeat I'll live with one less and not do it again just for that.

Here are the other two:

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I have a question for all my fellow anoraks (it's a term of endearment, one I use to refer to myself), although it is the only known pre-Worboys example with an icon inside the triangle, the triangle itself is the usual one (filled centre version) but bigger. To me I'd suspect that as it also has the usual plate below with wording then having a bigger triangle above doesn't matter (although I've never seen a different sign with a bigger one) and the blob inside is just a variation on a theme, a subset rather than new design altogether. It has sharp corners unlike the current types, and minus the blob would just be a standard triangle sign visually, therefore would a blob remove it from the red triangle warning signs or just be a variation? Of course the Department of Transport didn't collect photos and didn't actually have categories besides warning, prohibition and the like, it's only us lot after the event who have the need to classify everything for the records. My opinion is the similarities are far greater than the differences, so my vote is it is a red triangle sign, but unless there is an official diktat will wait for more votes.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 22:50 
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I don't know if we can display photos directly here from the gallery, if so let me know how and I'll edit it in. Seems black spot signs survived Worboys for a while despite getting the Euro-treatment, rounded triangle corners and lower case type on the panel.

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/inde ... _23315.jpg


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 00:36 
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http://g.co/maps/7p7rr >:(

I can't remember the text, but it says something like "Footpath to Fishbourne Road East" in raised letters.


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I can only find a pair of modern 'public footpath' signs, but the green arrows which preceeded them are interesting as technically more like fingerposts, and also pretty common around the country, implying they weren't affected by the new rules, but have only just found them on one of the old sign manuals, as I hadn't known if they'd even ever been standardised. Having said that fingerposts were and are part of the national system so would still have been lumped in with them after 1964 so remained immune and explains how they made the official set before then but not afterwards, if that makes sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 04:03 
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I may have missed one but a new one popped up in the opposite direction recently, this is off the old A5 in Markyate and can categorically state the road still goes to Berkhamsted and to my knowledge is still 8 miles.

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How about this one :D

There's one in the opposite direction too :D


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 14:42 
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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
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Big L wrote:

Well done, but spotted before. Picture in the galleries
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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 16:35 
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Very nice, you can see the raised lettering there as well. They also had them for children.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
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Here's a direction sign on the B702.

And not too far away is this cattle grid warning.
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Also, a route confirmation on the A839.
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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 13:26 
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This might not be the right place to put this but I couldn't find a recent thread on the Worboys Report.

I found the attached in a file in the State Records Office in Perth, Western Australia, last week. Thought it might be of interest to roadgeeks of the British persuasion!

If there's any copyright issues I'm happy to take it down, otherwise feel free to stick it wherever it is of any interest.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
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I like the last paragraph saying they will be replaced within two or three years. Some are still around 50 years later :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 15:58 
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My father just dug the leaflet up this weekend from 1964. The resemblance to the signs on the continent is uncanny- you'd almost think they simply copied them instead of designing them from scratch ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 16:19 
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West Pinchbeck sits by the remains of the old bridge.

In Spalding there is this one. Holland County Council hasn't existed since the early 70's. If you follow the directions from this one you'll eventually come to another in Sutton St James


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 00:49 
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Those are fingerposts, which all lack a terminal arrow and outside the Worboys rules so still widespread on all unclassified roads. Put a triangular arrowhead on the point and a black frame round the body and it becomes a PW direction sign, but all varieties of plain pennant signs are not part of the other system.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 19:42 
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Not sure what category this falls in; noticed it today on the way to Culver.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll= ... 2,,2,18.77


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Worboys preservation campaign
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 21:53 
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That's a milepost, before traffic signs and mainly for horses. They are still allowed to stay and a dreadful job to remove, but a much earlier type of sign than PW.


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