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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 17:45 
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They were thinking the A329(M) might eventually end up around there, but the temporary stub has been signed incorrectly with a 'sharp deviation of route' chevron. Whoops!
If it's a mistake, it's definitely been done before!

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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 22:01 
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I saw a new sign on the A3 near the new tunnel today. It was a green sign with entirely white text saying "For Haslemere follow Hindhead A333". Is this correct, it just doesn't look right.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:16 
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Bryn666 wrote:
Like what always stops urban roads - NIMBYs and probably a shedload of utility diversions that looked too scary to move.

In this case the NIMBY was Oxfordshire CC. who did not want Berkshire CC. to complete the Cross Town Route project (which even had it's own logo I have it on an old drawing) which would have extended the A329(M) from Sutton Seeds roundabout (where it crosses the A4) across the river and round to this point and encouraged more traffic to head north and south through South Oxfordshire using this route instead of the M40 or A34. It also faced environmental impact concerns regarding the river.

It pretty much died with Berkshire CC. when it got split up into the unitary authorities in about 1998 iirc, it's raised it's head a few times again when elections come round but the closest it got was when it was proposed to be a bus or public transport only link road, but funding then becomes the next problem. A303Chris was probably at Berkshire CC. at the time so knows the history better than I do.

Bryn666 wrote:
They were thinking the A329(M) might eventually end up around there, but the temporary stub has been signed incorrectly with a 'sharp deviation of route' chevron. Whoops!
The red and white barrier marking would have been correct. Like this:
http://g.co/maps/3vkzu

I don't think that's completely correct Bryn, that is a Direction 36 Temporary Sign so may be placed only in connection with the execution of works on or near a road or a temporary obstruction thereon.
Given the length of time those chevrons have been in Reading (as long as I can remember) it seems to do the job. I think a line of hazard marker posts with yellow reflectors would be the compliant way of doing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:24 
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Noticed one today, there's a VAS 30 roundel here that has a flat top 3 like a PW sign.

Who would make such a thing in this day and age?

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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:59 
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Johnathan404 wrote:

And not forgetting M65 J6...

"Sharp deviation" is relative to the road, so in the case of the A329 the lanes being shunted two lanes to the left, away from the central reserve, could possibly warrant a warning.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 16:41 
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I noticed this roundabout sign in Elgin yesterday, it doesn't look right to me.

I also noticed that at the roundabout with the A941, Perth is signposted as the destination. Surely Grantown-on-Spey or Aviemore would be a more logical choice here?

Finally, this one isn't botched, I just thought it was funny.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 19:36 
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Dougman wrote:
Noticed one today, there's a VAS 30 roundel here that has a flat top 3 like a PW sign.

Who would make such a thing in this day and age?

You mean it's working?! :lol:

It was showing only a red circle for a while...


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 21:56 
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Burns wrote:
I noticed this roundabout sign in Elgin yesterday, it doesn't look right to me.

That's pretty awful.

1 - letters are too closely spaced in "Aberdeen"
2 - "B9010" should be the same size as all other text
3 - not enough space between the edge of the white panels and the text inside them
4 - "Local" should (I assume) say "Local traffic only", unless there really is a village called "Local" nearby...


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 00:16 
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Burns wrote:
I noticed this roundabout sign in Elgin yesterday, it doesn't look right to me.

I also noticed that at the roundabout with the A941, Perth is signposted as the destination. Surely Grantown-on-Spey or Aviemore would be a more logical choice here?

All the signs at the roundabout by Dr Grays Hospital have wrong text sizes and spacing.
You missed the one with the white panel for "Fraserburgh (A98)" at the A941 junction.

And yes, all signs in Elgin direct to Perth, I think they have delusions of grandeur signing destinations over 130 miles away and, ironically, another town which pretends to be a city, but I don't think Perth returns the favour.
But the A941 used to be a primary route, and many of the signs are still green, so Perth is the next primary destination reached.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:39 
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Dougman wrote:
Noticed one today, there's a VAS 30 roundel here that has a flat top 3 like a PW sign.

Who would make such a thing in this day and age?

You mean it's working?! :lol:

It was showing only a red circle for a while...


Indeed it is, although it was on constantly with no traffic approaching. :sigh:

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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 14:41 
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A325Ham wrote:
I saw a new sign on the A3 near the new tunnel today. It was a green sign with entirely white text saying "For Haslemere follow Hindhead A333". Is this correct, it just doesn't look right.

"For X follow Y" is a fairly common instruction.

I think they forgot to put Haslemere on the signs initially, so added that to avoid the resigning.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 14:46 
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A325Ham wrote:
I saw a new sign on the A3 near the new tunnel today. It was a green sign with entirely white text saying "For Haslemere follow Hindhead A333". Is this correct, it just doesn't look right.

"For X follow Y" is a fairly common instruction.

I think they forgot to put Haslemere on the signs initially, so added that to avoid the resigning.
Although A333 should be yellow on that particular sign. Or maybe "Hindhead A333" should be on a white non-primary patch?? No, I'll go with the former.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 18:27 
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Bryn666 wrote:
I've seen these as well, they look very odd - presumably the blank panels will have patches applied to them in due course.

Also, which city centre is it referring to? Salford? Manchester?


Also the black arrow should be on the right of the legend as that's the side of the sign the carriageway is on, and 'Centre' as in 'City Centre' should not start with a capital as that is a description of the destination and not its name or title!


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 21:09 
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Twamgle wrote:
Also the black arrow should be on the right of the legend as that's the side of the sign the carriageway is on, and 'Centre' as in 'City Centre' should not start with a capital as that is a description of the destination and not its name or title!

TSRGD says it should be "..centre", but you will find differing opinions on whether it is a title or a description. "Town Centre" and "City Centre" are fairly common occurrences on signs.

On a similar point of capitalisation, all the signs at this roundabout on the B8082 sign "Druid glen" as a destination - I'm wondering if the designer though it was a description and there is actually a glen where druids reside.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 21:13 
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Glen wrote:
On a similar point of capitalisation, all the signs at this roundabout on the B8082 sign "Druid glen" as a destination - I'm wondering if the designer though it was a description and there is actually a glen where druids reside.

I would think "Raigmore hospital" should be "Raigmore Hospital", too?

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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
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This may be fine, but looks a bit unusual http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=green+s ... 33,,2,2.86

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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
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orudge wrote:
I would think "Raigmore hospital" should be "Raigmore Hospital", too?

Yes, because it's the name of the hospital.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
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I find "Locks heath Shopping Centre" a bit ugly to see.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 01:12 
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Someone in Derbyshire decided that Foolow isn't worthy of a capital F.

All place names on road signs should be capitalised, as any fule kno.


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 Post subject: Re: Botched Roadsigns
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 05:47 
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Sheffield seems to have an occasional "thing" for mini-sized signs, such as this miniature End plate, and The cutest little deviation chevron ever seen (closer up)

The End plate seems an obvious botch, but not sure what regs apply to minimum sizes of deviation signs?

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