I was having a look through the International Roads section earlier as I'm looking at a European trip in the next few months, and remembered the Guide To... threads that various people wrote for various countries.

Are these something that could be added into the Wiki? I wasn't sure if it was beyond the remit of the Wiki, but some are quite useful and I notice we have an international section already.

It's possibly something I could have a go at working on as and when I get time.

I can't see it being beyond the remit of the wiki and could be a useful tool, crack on IMO

Cool, I shall probably take it quite steady as I'll be doing them offline and then putting them Jonas and when I have decent internet access. You should see a couple appear in the next few days.

Does anyone know if there any hidden A (Autoroutes and/or Asian Highways), N or R road class (or similar) templates hidden anywhere near this page?

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/inde ... AMotorways

Any ideas? Many thanks.

I haven't seen any in use anywhere, and if they don't appear in that category, the chances are they don't exist - most are copied and pasted then edited to suit, which means they would have the correct cat included in the bottom.

Explosive thought :

I think the page should be deleted. Why do we need a wiki page on Cambodia? What's it got to do with British and Irish roads exactly?

I'm not too bothered either way, but if you want to keep it to the British Isles, there are a few other pages that should be deleted too e.g. sections on the USA, Spain etc. On the other hand, if we want a comprehensive guide, then we should probably try and have sections on as many different parts of the world as possible. Between us all, I'm sure that we've been to an awful lot of different countries, and can contribute to a fair number of meaningful sections. As far as countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, the UAE and Brazil are concerned; I'd quite like the thought of writing about major road and bridge building schemes again!


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As I said then, I'm happy to discuss many other topics, but the core interest of the group should still be British (and Irish) roads. That, however, should not preclude discussion of roads elsewhere. Ten years on, I'm still British and still enthused about roads, not just here at home, but in other bits of the world as well.

Let's close down the International Roads forum then - after all, what's it got to do with British and Irish roads?

While, clearly, the forum and the wiki's main aim should be B&I Roads, that doesn't mean that other stuff must be excluded. Clearly with the wiki, it's a roads wiki and 'off-topic' items (towns, airports, ferries, etc) need to be as they relate to the road network, but why can't we have articles that deal with roads elsewhere - for instance you've ignored the thread about copying over the 'Guide To...' pages that proposes making the international section of the wiki larger and more detailed.

I wouldn't object to it being moved to the "Off Topic" section of the forums myself, and I was under the impression it was generally used to compare other road systems to our own. Of course, putting it in the off topic area, and adding the Unleashed-style requirement to be an active member to start threads does have the handy advantage of not having to read anything else by Calrog ever again.

<annoyed grunt> We're in that thread You know how to make something appealing to me. Though I don't think it will stop Calrog.

I agree with this - it is arguably as off topic as 'Football Stuff' (as that isn't about British or Irish roads either), and so really belongs in the off topic section.

I very much doubt that this view is popular enough for a move, though.

Agreed - close it down. It is stretching B&I roads too much.

Assuming that we are talking about the International Roads forum here, it is currently in the 'SABRE Roads Forums' section, which is far more appropriate than the 'Off Topic Discussion' section.

Going back to the Wiki, I think that basic information of foreign countries is appropriate. A single page, giving outline information, like we have for France, some separate list pages for the main (M/A) roads and occasional pages on major bridges/tunnels/250 lane motorways/30 layer GSJ junctions (I'm exaggerating a touch I fear ) should be seen as providing a good counterpoint to the state of the British and Irish road network.

Like the Millau Viaduct - an impressive feat of British design...

For goodness sake... Where is the harm in having stuff on international roads, especially if someone is happy filling up the pages with useful information.

There doesn't have to be any priority to filling in the gaps, leave it to the people that are interested in filling the pages.

Haydn, My view exactly.

Indeed! We are roads enthusiasts. We are British - but that does not mean we cannot be interested in what goes on elsewhere.

Time for a bump since this seems to have cropped up again.


But there are other sites dedicated to this. Should we rip off SARA to describe French roads? No, that wouldn't be right. Should we rip off AARoads and Skyscraper City to talk about US Roads? No, that would probably hack them off.

All of the pages mistral has created recently have errors, and will continue to do so which are unfixable without major template changes. Do we really want to spend time doing this? Should we create lots and lots of low content pages with errors, or should we stick to doing one thing seriously well?

Is there an easy way to integrate SARA and wegenwiki.nl (which does the world, including our islands off the coast of NW Europe*, in the really not very international language that is Dutch) in to the site? (clearly we don't want WP...)

Eg the Channel tunnel links to the A16 (France) (it is, after all, a road that links to the Channel tunnel), which is just a simple stub page for us, but something more substantial on WikiSARA, but can we fix the {{RL}} template to deal with external links so you'd have something like

(perhaps having type 'autoroute' to generate the note automatically and say that the link is going to be external) instead of the current


Or some way of creating external redirects? so that [[A16 (France)]] redirects to [http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Autoroute_française_A16].

*eg M271, M25, M22, M17, M7 - there's some good stuff there, though with a Dutch style imposed on junction lists, etc. They have every current motorway.

I've played with the {{RL}} sandbox and added a |link= parameter, if a link is given (full URL) then it will override the internal link and display the external link instead.

As seen on Channel Tunnel. Thoughts?

I looked at the wikicode at first and thought to myself WTF?!