Interesting Question

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 15:44

Interesting question:

What do those three pictures have in common?

And is it, in your opinion, a problem?

Also can anyone apart from Truvelo identify the locations?

(clue: they're within 30 miles of Stockport)

Peter

Chris5156 · Post by **Chris5156** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 15:50

<<What do those three pictures have in common?>>

Easy! None of them have much traffic in them.

<<And is it, in your opinion, a problem?>>

If my answer above is correct, then no

<<Also can anyone apart from Truvelo identify the locations?>>

I can't say where they are, but judging by the weather you took them today before it clouded over. Given the locations and the type of streetlights (a favourite of this area), I'd hazard a guess at somewhere in the south part of Warrington, or at least in the Borough Council's patch. Certainly looks like north Cheshire.

Mark Hewitt · Post by **Mark Hewitt** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 15:53

Is it that the road markings have faded so much as to be almost indistinguishable from the road surface?

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 15:53

<< .. Easy! None of them have much traffic in them.>>

No, it's less obvious than that.

<< .. I can't say where they are, but judging by the weather you took them today before it clouded over. Given the locations and the type of streetlights (a favourite of this area), I'd hazard a guess at somewhere in the south part of Warrington, or at least in the Borough Council's patch. Certainly looks like north Cheshire.>>

You're broadly right there, at least for the second pair (picture 3 is on the straight-ahead road from the lights on picture 2, picture 1 is a different location about 8 miles away).

Peter

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 16:00

Is it something to do with the streetlights? The lanterns are the same in all 3 pics, and they are all pretty prominent in your pictures (or maybe that's just me..). Have they caused some local controversy for some reason? Seems unlikely because the area's festooned with these.
Other than that, I assume it's a speed limits question. Are the all new 20 zones or something like that?

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 16:01

<< .. Other than that, I assume it's a speed limits question. Are the all new 20 zones or something like that?>>

Not that, but you're on the right track.

Peter

Truvelo · Post by **Truvelo** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:18

Sorry Peter, I don't recognise any of the pictures. I would have said Cheshire before I saw Chris's answer.
Is it the speed limit is something other than 30 yet there are no repeaters?

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:20

<< .. Sorry Peter, I don't recognise any of the pictures. I would have said Cheshire before I saw Chris's answer.>>

I simply said that as you seem to be the most-travelled Sabristo on UK roads by some way.

<< .. Is it the speed limit is something other than 30 yet there are no repeaters?>>

Yes, getting warm now.

Peter

Truvelo · Post by **Truvelo** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:25

Are the main roads 40 but there are no 30 signs on the side roads

RickyB_uk · Post by **RickyB_uk** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:26

I've actually bought something at the shop on the corner of photo 2 I think, but I'm not sure where the other two are just yet.

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:27

<< .. Are the main roads 40 but there are no 30 signs on the side roads>>

No, but you are definitely getting warmer.

Peter

RickyB_uk · Post by **RickyB_uk** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:31

Although picture 3 looks reasonably familiar, but I can't pin down it's location.
Picture 2 is
Highlight below to reveal
The crossroads in Broomedge, Cheshire. Looking North on the B5159 at the junction with the A56

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:35

<< .. Picture 2 is The crossroads in Broomedge, Cheshire. Looking North on the B5159 at the junction with the A56>>

Yes, quite right, and as I said in an earlier message, Picture 3 is the B5159 about 200 yards north of the crossroads.

Still nobody has got the perhaps surprising feature that links these three pictures.

Peter

RickyB_uk · Post by **RickyB_uk** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:41

Are they NSL???
I wasn't paying attention to the speed limit really. I was on my bike when I passed through here about a year and a half ago.

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:52

Yes, all are NSL.

The locations are:

Picture 1 is Holehouses, near to M6 J19:

[url=http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... 000&icon=x[/url]

Picture 1 is a small residential close off an NSL B-road. In reality, nobody is going to drive down here at over 30 mph anyway, so the lack of a speed limit is irrelevant.

Picture 2 is a small cluster of development around a rural crossroads. Here's another picture from a different angle showing an NSL repeater:

<img src="http://speedlimit.org.uk/images/broomedge2.jpg]

The road to the north of here is built up for about 400 yards - maybe this does justify a 30 or 40 limit, but in reality, do the locals perceive a speeding problem?

Incidentally, I was slightly caught out down here doing my IAM test, as you wonder whether you've failed to spot a 30 sign turning at the crossroads, and then wonder why you haven't spotted any kind of speed limit sign when emerging into open country.

Peter

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:54

Picture 1 is Holehouses, near to M6 J19:

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... 000&icon=x

Doh! Pesky formatting!

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 18:55

None of the minor roads seen in these pictures has signs indicating the 30 mph limit that applies to them, where the main roads shown in each are greater than 30. That has to be the connection so the question is what is the higher limit. I'd be amazed if any of the majorroads are 60, but as someone has already said 40 and not got it right, maybe it is 60?

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 19:01

You posted the answers as I was typing post 18.
I don't agree that the cul-de-sac in No 1 "lacks a speed limit", or for that matter, is NSL. For one thing, it has streetlights, so in the absence of any repeaters pointing out a higher limit, it's a 30. No argument. There should be signs confirming the 30 applies as you enter the cul-de-sac, but the absence of them doesn't mean it's a 60. I think there's an aggrieved motorist who is trying to take his speeding conviction to Brussels because he was caught out by the lack of confirmation sign as he turned off a road with a higher limit, but I think he's wasting his time. The absence of confirmation signs on enteringthe side road doesn't mean you can't get done.

PeterA5145 · Post by **PeterA5145** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 19:09

<< .. I don't agree that the cul-de-sac in No 1 "lacks a speed limit", or for that matter, is NSL. For one thing, it has streetlights, so in the absence of any repeaters pointing out a higher limit, it's a 30. No argument. There should be signs confirming the 30 applies as you enter the cul-de-sac, but the absence of them doesn't mean it's a 60. I think there's an aggrieved motorist who is trying to take his speeding conviction to Brussels because he was caught out by the lack of confirmation sign as he turned off a road with a higher limit, but I think he's wasting his time. The absence of confirmation signs on entering the side road doesn't mean you can't get done.>>

It may technically be a "restricted road" - I don't know. But in the absence of any speed limit signing, the 30 limit, even if it exists, is unenforceable in UK law. There's another small residential close opening off the road in Picture 3 which is even more urban-looking, yet still has no speed limit sign:

If I looked hard around Cheshire, I could probably find plenty more of these - although there is one at Stretton which, even though it can't be more than 100 yards long, still has a 30 sign.

Peter

CJ · Post by CJ » Sat Mar 12, 2005 19:22

It'd be interesting to see accident statistics for this road -- does the village having a 60 limit lead to morons speeding throughfar toofast and crashing, or does it actually mean that people pay attention to the road rather than their speedo?