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(1) M4 Margam / Groes; (2) "Actually signed routes"
(1) You caught me in the middle of updating the entry (now entries) for junctions 38 and 39 of the M4. I still have to do some more work on these junctions, but as they have separate numbers I do think they deserve separate entries -- if for no other reason than that when I moved to South Wales I was initially so often confused by this junction pair that I think it is well worthwhile thoroughly "disambiguating" them.
(2) As an inveterate amateur road historian, I can quite see where you are coming from with your wish to retain/restore references to the erstwhile A48(M) at such places as Ynysforgan. However, as an equally inveterate pedant, I can't help being very uncomfortable with the listing under the rubric "What is actually signed along the route" of destinations that have not actually been signed along the route within the living memory of perhaps a majority of Sabristi. I think another solution needs to be found...
-- Viator 00:12, 29 September 2011 (BST)
- In response to 1, I realised that just after I did it. In response to 2, the slashes between the Welsh and English don't appear on signs, and we often have a list of destinations that come from several signs, but never all on the same one (and often the order varies from sign to sign as well). We've never really been pedantic on 'actually' signed along the route. I can't think of a way of saying that we've got these destinations off the actual signs at the moment, but I'll have a think and give the template the long-overdue change (I think it was pointed out when the Template was new) to be more loose to appease pedantry.
Si404 00:25, 29 September 2011 (BST)
Thanks for that, Simon. I wasn't actually aware that slashes per se were any kind of "issue" in the Wiki (I just treat them as a Sabre-wiki convention for "this bilingual pairing is, in reality, presented on separate lines"). However, I do take the trouble to visit as many of the sites of these "what is actually signed" mentions as I can -- even to the extent sometimes of driving, perhaps several times, all the way around roundabouts [what IS that nutter up to?] -- since I would normally take "what is actually signed" to mean "what appears at the junction exits". -- Viator 01:00, 29 September 2011 (BST)
PS: You might like to consider archiving some of the earlier discussions on this page as it currently carries (on my browser, at least) the warning: "This page is 31 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections."
North Woolwich and counties
Err, Simon - North Woolwich is firmly in Essex as it is north of the Thames. The loop you can see on the 1922 map is the Admin County of London boundary, not the Kent traditional boundary. I have to say I'd never noticed that the LCC boundary did that though! Steven 07:38, 5 October 2011 (BST)
- Sorry Steven, but Simon's right. See this 19th century government transcript on Hansard which states "whereas, on the north of the Thames, North Woolwich—though on the other side of West Ham, from the fact of its accidentally being part of Kent". --Ritchie333 10:24, 5 October 2011 (BST)
- The county of London boundary does that because, North Woolwich had been a part of Kent since the Norman conquest. It spent nearly 900 years being part of Woolwich in some way or other (parish, borough, etc), until Greater London put it in Newham. The Hansard thing relates to West Ham's not being in the Metropolitan area (and later it wasn't in the county of London) - thanks Ritchie. Si404 11:10, 5 October 2011 (BST)
Well, well, well, you learn something every day! I take it that the other LCC bit at Galleon's Reach was the same? Steven 11:26, 5 October 2011 (BST)
- Yes it's another bit of North Woolwich Si404 11:29, 5 October 2011 (BST)
I would appreciate your thoughts on this....
Did Newton Abbot use to be a primary destination? Just wondering why you added it... M5lenzar 17:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
We're finally getting there with the folding Navbox. It's only the top section that works at the moment, and it needs some formatting work as it's a bit, well, basic-looking right now. I've also got to figure out how to get the other sections working, so it's a long way off finished! Steven 17:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- I noticed - wondered what it would look like (hence the trial in the Sandboxes) and it looks great so far! Si404 17:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- At least I've made the breakthrough on it - it's needed an almost total rewrite to figure out how it works with folding tables. The way I tested it was to use it on a few "ordinary" pages (like M6) and just preview the results to see what it looks like. I haven't tested it out on non-roads pages yet, though. Steven 17:34, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Has the rule on the County Categories changed? I remember after the massive forum battle that we agreed not to use them. M5lenzar 17:38, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- We had a rule on County Categories? Jeni's new infobox plans were going to add pages automatically to county and authority pages. I've done just some of the former manually to aid people improving pages in their local area Si404 12:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
1923 close up map of Perth
Hi. Sorry to nitpick, but the original number for Perth Bridge was the A94, not the A93 - found it in the 1935 renumbering documentation. --Ritchie333 16:55, 26 April 2012 (BST)
- Have a mistake on the Amersham history of roads map too. Will fix Si404 17:21, 26 April 2012 (BST)
- Well despite changing them, my computer still wants to upload the old version that's been overwritten </facepalm> Si404 17:44, 26 April 2012 (BST)
Please mark your Wikis which you have decided to to Save but which are not complete. It then gives guidance to others (such as me) when processing a further adjustment. Bob 15:10, 27 April 2012 (BST)
- I was finished with Rathcoole. You removed a redlink (and badly at that) to a page I was creating. Flagging a page "I'm not done yet" wouldn't apply here. Si404 15:29, 27 April 2012 (BST)
I did create categories earlier - do you have to type something into them to get them to create properly? --Ritchie333 20:50, 29 April 2012 (BST)
- You linked to them, but left them a redlink. You do have to type something into them to create properly. And I was being sarcastic with those comments Si404 20:58, 29 April 2012 (BST)
Hi si404 just noting that Jct 18 Ballymascalan (Ballymascanlan) and Jct 19 Feed Cross (Feede) on the ROI M1 are misspelt. As a main driver of the wiki (many thanks) you can probably address renaming a page easier than I can. Bothar 22:21, 8 May 2012 (BST)
- Thanks - now done. The name change and move are the simple things (for move use the move link where edit is) that should be done. The redirects and links are less of an issue, as the old page title redirects to the new one, though the Template is the main one to sort out. There's probably more junctions in Ireland that have a better name than what I found so if you find one, either do it yourself (there's no admin restrictions on that) or ping me again. Si404 23:03, 8 May 2012 (BST)
South Kegworth/ Finger Farm
Just curious really, where did this name spring from? --Swarkestonecauseway 18:14, 28 October 2012 (GMT)
- Secondary Legislation. Then again, the interchange might be South Kegworth and the roundabout 'Finger Farm'. This document (page 19) as well
- Si404 18:31, 28 October 2012 (GMT)
Fair enough, never heard the name before though --Swarkestonecauseway 21:01, 28 October 2012 (GMT)
I ammended the zoom of the above road to 17 in order to show the route no. You have changed it back which whilst still correct obliterates the route no. What did I do wrong? : bob, 1629. 4 December 2012 (GMT)
- it didn't show the route number though. Si404 21:28, 4 December 2012 (GMT)
Higgins' Neuk Nitpick
You've stolen my thunder here - I was just about to start work on it! I'd better get in quick with the Cairneyhill Roundabout...
Minor nitpick though - it's Higgins' Neuk (note apostrophe). Don't know if this can be undone now it's been created. --Halmyre 13:16, 5 March 2013 (GMT)
- Feel free to add to the page (and the others I did), of course. You can add the apostrophe in the article wherever it is needed, but if the page title as an apostrophe, it mucks a lot of things up. Si404 14:56, 5 March 2013 (GMT)
- I did wonder about the page title. I'm actually surprised the authorities went to the bother of apostrophising the name correctly. --Halmyre 15:10, 5 March 2013 (GMT)
According to SABRE Map's OpenStreetMap and Google Maps layers, the N52 continues to go round the east of Dundalk to the meet the M1 / N1 to the north. Do you have a source that says otherwise? Ritchie333 12:38, 12 April 2013 (BST)
- this topic and, more importantly, this 2012 SI that states N52: Ardee, County Louth — Mullingar — Kilbeggan, County Westmeath — Nenagh, County Tipperary. And I thought OSM had been changed. Some numpty on OSM has changed that whole area back from the renumbering 13 months ago.
- If I could remember how to revert on OSM, I would! Ritchie333 13:18, 12 April 2013 (BST)
Didn't know this was going on! So where can I find the scans and calibration files for what's been done so far? Ritchie333 13:31, 9 May 2013 (BST)
- No calibration files (they are incorrectly labeled on the page), and I probably need to rescan the files - looking I did them at too high a dpi. I'll set up a shared Dropbox folder to drop the scans I have in, and I'll redo them some point next week. I'll also give you that nice Republic one, which is also out of copyright.
- Oh, and thanks for tweaking the gallery - that looks good now. Si404 14:54, 9 May 2013 (BST)
- No problems. Next thing I'm working on is providing a similar UI for editing galleries like I have with files - you basically have a box where you specify the parent (or blank to put it at top level), then a list of all subcategories in the right sort order. Then it goes and automagically edits each gallery accordingly in one batch.
- As for maps, I have here a 1960 Seventh Series map of Boston - the only English one we don't have - then I will start to look at other stuff. I do also plan to write an online calibration GUI. I plan lots of things, actually! Ritchie333 15:01, 9 May 2013 (BST)