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Mirror Image Design

Post by SteveA30 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 14:47

Is this a prescribed design? At Southfields rbt services. The old Little Chef and Travelodge. It is a one way system the wrong way round. The confusion and near misses are a daily occurence and have been for years. Shell is to the left.

Another one I missed photographically, was at the A35 layby/cafe/toilets east of Dorchester. W/bnd traffic is not supposed to use it. About 2-3 months ago, the wording NO TURN RIGHT was painted on the w/bnd side. Someone spotted the mistake and it was corrected to AHEAD ONLY. Even if the correct wording was used, I'm guessing that without NRT signs, it would not have been valid anyway. I'm sure there were NRT signs there until earlier this year but, they have gone now.
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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by JoshBostock01 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 16:42

There is a similar setup at a McDonalds in Perth. The first time I encountered it I was very confused.

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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by RichardA35 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 16:51

SteveA30 wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 14:47
I'm sure there were NRT signs there until earlier this year but, they have gone now.
They were there last night.

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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by WHBM » Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:09

SteveA30 wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 14:47
Is this a prescribed design? At Southfields rbt services. The old Little Chef and Travelodge. It is a one way system the wrong way round. The confusion and near misses are a daily occurence and have been for years. Shell is to the left.
It's a right mess, brought about it seems by sticking with the established tarmac layout but wanting the newly installed drive-through window in the catering building to be on the drivers' side, on their right. Plus having the signage prominent to the A303 on the roundabout but the only entry is up the Chard road. I have wondered how many on the A303 take the Taunton A358 expecting to find the entrance there, but nothing.

Regarding that layby east of Dorchester on the A35, I can see it being closed altogether. Signage means nothing to those westbound there who stop to turn in. If you put kerbing down the middle of the carriageway they would bounce over it. Last time I saw it happen they were towing a caravan.

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Post by Conekicker » Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:17

It's not a prescribed sign but as it's presumably not public land, that's not unlawful as such. It's not good design but there you go.

I think the OP is saying that traffic going into Travelodge/Burger King is going the wrong way around the one way system. If so, then it's possibly due to the sign on the right of this view:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.93346 ... 6656?hl=en

which would tend to encourage traffic to head directly for the motel and not loop around the filling station? Easily solved by the installation of a couple of Diagram 836 either side of where the grey car is in the image. Some road markings/hatching might not go amiss either.
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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by WHBM » Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:23

Conekicker wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:17

I think the OP is saying that traffic going into Travelodge/Burger King is going the wrong way around the one way system.
I took it as the circulation round the car park and drive-through, which is wrong way round, and so leads to crossing over each other at the entrance.

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Post by SteveA30 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 20:19

Yes, I meant as WHBM described.
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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by WHBM » Fri Oct 15, 2021 20:49

I think we're both right. It's a mess all round. They seem to have used a designer who didn't have a clue.

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Post by Herned » Fri Oct 15, 2021 21:51

WHBM wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 20:49
I think we're both right. It's a mess all round. They seem to have used a designer who didn't have a clue.
Surely it's down to the owners doing the minimum required in order to fit the drive through window to an existing building? There would have to be a crossover somewhere

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Post by Chris5156 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 22:44

SteveA30 wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 14:47
Is this a prescribed design? At Southfields rbt services. The old Little Chef and Travelodge. It is a one way system the wrong way round. The confusion and near misses are a daily occurence and have been for years. Shell is to the left.
No, not standard at all, but as it's on private land it doesn't have to conform to any standards at all. I think WHBM is being charitable in assuming there was a designer at all.

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Post by Vierwielen » Sat Oct 16, 2021 09:35

SteveA30 wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 14:47
Is this a prescribed design? At Southfields rbt services. The old Little Chef and Travelodge. It is a one way system the wrong way round.

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Peut-être que le concepteur était français! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by Conekicker » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:03

WHBM wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:23
Conekicker wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:17

I think the OP is saying that traffic going into Travelodge/Burger King is going the wrong way around the one way system.
I took it as the circulation round the car park and drive-through, which is wrong way round, and so leads to crossing over each other at the entrance.
But then you'd still get traffic crossing, as exiting traffic would have to cross entering traffic?
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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by WHBM » Sat Oct 16, 2021 13:56

Conekicker wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:03
But then you'd still get traffic crossing, as exiting traffic would have to cross entering traffic?
Should have put the Drive-Through lane round the back of the building with clockwise circulation. As elsewhere.

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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by SteveA30 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:06

Here is an example of the daily shenanigans that take place.....
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Re: Mirror Image Design

Post by jabbaboy » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:41

Admit it's not really the same scale but the ramps in Eldon Garden car park are the wrong way round in the centre where they're two way. Quite often see cars going up/down the wrong side. There's probably loads around but it's the only one I know like it, they usually have 2 separate ramps at each end.

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