All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by Steven » Wed Aug 25, 2021 09:03

JRN wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 23:04
OK fair enough, I may have been underestimating the percentage of local traffic. Still the M6 toll carries only ~50k AADT, and I just have to believe that being pretty much the only easily avoidable tolled road in the UK doesn't significantly depress that figure below what it otherwise would be. A lot of people just don't like paying.
Whereas the M6 carries ~ 135k AADT at a single point between j5 and j6:
https://roadtraffic.dft.gov.uk/manualcountpoints/36023
(circa 2018)
It wouldn't necessarily in this scenario have to follow from nationalisation that the "new" M6 would carry more traffic than the "old" M6, just that enough traffic would transfer to the long distance route to allow the old viaduct through Birmingham to be restored to D3M.
Also the v. low percentage of HGV traffic that currently uses the M6 toll. That traffic is probably disproportionately long-distance relative to the total, but most hauliers currently won't pay the tolls.
The section between J8 and J10 past Wolverhampton is higher than that through Birmingham, at around 160k, and as pointed out previously, a large proportion of the long-distance traffic on this section is M5 <-> M6, M6 <-> M54 and M5 <-> M54, for all of whom the M6 Toll is pretty much useless.

As someone who did commute through the entire section (pre-pandemic), the D2M section through J6, whilst not helping the situation, isn't actually anywhere near as much of a problem journey time wise as the inevitable queues and crawling traffic between J10A and J7.

As an aside, traffic counts are also available on SABRE Maps, which is much easier than hunting through the DfT.
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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by Gav » Sun Sep 12, 2021 14:53

Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:59


M6 Junction 5-8 2024-25 - the viaducts are going to be a nightmare to provide any kind of ERAs along, indeed the only two between 5 and 6 are conveniently placed where a railway line passes under at a skew at Bromford. This is going to be a frequent trouble site with stopped vehicles causing mayhem, be intrigued how they're going to manage this one.
probably have a dedicated response wrecker on standby - with regular cross under/over in place to allow the wrecker to get to the scene of the breakdown quickly and tow / push the obstruction clear

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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by brummie_rob » Wed Oct 27, 2021 15:20

Looks like there is about to be progress on this on the M6, a sign has appeared today by J10A saying 'Preparing for digital motorway upgrade from 10a-4, complete Spring 2025'. Let the fun commence!

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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by Big L » Wed Oct 27, 2021 19:27

brummie_rob wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 15:20
Looks like there is about to be progress on this on the M6, a sign has appeared today by J10A saying 'Preparing for digital motorway upgrade from 10a-4, complete Spring 2025'. Let the fun commence!
3 1/2 years to turn a solid white line into a dashed one, throw some new signs up and a spot of stationary vehicle detection.

Or are we getting more emergency refuges?
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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by M19 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 20:14

Big L wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 19:27
brummie_rob wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 15:20
Looks like there is about to be progress on this on the M6, a sign has appeared today by J10A saying 'Preparing for digital motorway upgrade from 10a-4, complete Spring 2025'. Let the fun commence!
3 1/2 years to turn a solid white line into a dashed one, throw some new signs up and a spot of stationary vehicle detection.

Or are we getting more emergency refuges?
It will be the same contractors working on M1 J13-16 who are taking twice as long as it took to build the whole 70 mile stretch of M1, M10 and M45 from scratch in the first place. Probably contractors involving a 2 person crew who are normally skilled at driveway or pavement surfacing given the endless time it is taking, following from and endless amount of time it took to change the central barrier north of J15.
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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by jervi » Wed Oct 27, 2021 20:20

Big L wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 19:27
brummie_rob wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 15:20
Looks like there is about to be progress on this on the M6, a sign has appeared today by J10A saying 'Preparing for digital motorway upgrade from 10a-4, complete Spring 2025'. Let the fun commence!
3 1/2 years to turn a solid white line into a dashed one, throw some new signs up and a spot of stationary vehicle detection.

Or are we getting more emergency refuges?
Reading GC 302 Section E/8 says:
"The minimum spacing requirements for places of relative safety in GD 301 [Ref 28.N] shall not apply to existing places of relative safety on upgrade schemes".
Which means that the standards does not require an DHSR upgrade to ALR to meet the current ALR standards. Didn't really answer your question thou.
Places of relative safety means ERA & hard shoulders (including those on off-sliproads).

Also section E9 says that ERAs must be in accordance with the current ALR standards, and if the current ERA cannot be practically modified to meet the current standards then it can be closed.

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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by darkcape » Wed Oct 27, 2021 23:11

brummie_rob wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 15:20
Looks like there is about to be progress on this on the M6, a sign has appeared today by J10A saying 'Preparing for digital motorway upgrade from 10a-4, complete Spring 2025'. Let the fun commence!
Same has gone up at J4, although that area is going to get hit soon with HS2 works, the SB J4 offslip is already currently being closed on nights.
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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by Micro The Maniac » Thu Oct 28, 2021 09:40

Big L wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 19:27
brummie_rob wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 15:20
Looks like there is about to be progress on this on the M6, a sign has appeared today by J10A saying 'Preparing for digital motorway upgrade from 10a-4, complete Spring 2025'. Let the fun commence!
3 1/2 years to turn a solid white line into a dashed one, throw some new signs up and a spot of stationary vehicle detection.
And presumably 3 1/2 years of ~18 miles of traffic management, while they work on a few hundred yards at a time...

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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by brummie_rob » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:35

Micro The Maniac wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 09:40
Big L wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 19:27
brummie_rob wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 15:20
Looks like there is about to be progress on this on the M6, a sign has appeared today by J10A saying 'Preparing for digital motorway upgrade from 10a-4, complete Spring 2025'. Let the fun commence!
3 1/2 years to turn a solid white line into a dashed one, throw some new signs up and a spot of stationary vehicle detection.
And presumably 3 1/2 years of ~18 miles of traffic management, while they work on a few hundred yards at a time...
They do need to install a concrete barrier in the central reservation which will probably be the bulk of time on this. I hope for the sake of everyone that this isn't going to be a full 18 mile stretch of 50mph zone (though speeds are quite slow through here anyway but even more so when people go through roadworks).

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Re: All Lane Running upgrades: Statutory Instrument consultation (ending the use of Dynamic Hard Shoulders)

Post by jackal » Thu Oct 28, 2021 14:48

The consultation indicated this schedule:

M6 Junction 4-5 2022-23
M6 Junction 5-8 2024-25
M6 Junction 8-10a 2024-25

At any rate I very much doubt that they'll be working on the entire section for four years. It is more a rolling programme of schemes that can be conveniently covered under one heading (J4-10a).

As emergency refuges were mentioned above, I'll say that I don't think there will be any new ones on this section. The only part of it that was identified as having a cluster of accidents was J5-6. You can see HE's response here:

https://highwaysengland.co.uk/media/ae1 ... 6-j5-6.pdf

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