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Re: botched road markings

Post by jervi » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:24

Skipsy wrote:
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Something doesn't seem quite right here...
Yeah, and that ADS completely forgets the the A23 NB exists. I informed B&H highways about this a few weeks back, so should be sorted by now, or maybe a few more weeks. TBH B&H highways are quite quick to fix signage and markings after I let them know, usually within 1 month do they replace shoddy new ADS.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by MotorwayGuy » Wed Oct 27, 2021 21:40

Not technically wrong but this one has baffled me as to how it's survived for years:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.478213, ... 384!8i8192

The only indication that the lane suddenly ends is that it is signed as a lane drop even though it isn't but should be. You can tell when someone who has never been here slams the brakes on and swerves either way.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Chris5156 » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:46

MotorwayGuy wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 21:40
Not technically wrong but this one has baffled me as to how it's survived for years:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.478213, ... 384!8i8192

The only indication that the lane suddenly ends is that it is signed as a lane drop even though it isn't but should be. You can tell when someone who has never been here slams the brakes on and swerves either way.
That’s the weird arrangement the GLC used to use at lane drops, now thankfully almost all gone. You can see it at the northbound exit for the Bow Roundabout too, and it used to exist on the west side of the Thamesmead GSJ.

It’s incredibly unhelpful and I don’t know why TfL keep dumbly repainting them.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Chris Bertram » Thu Oct 28, 2021 15:04

Chris5156 wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:46
It’s incredibly unhelpful and I don’t know why TfL keep dumbly repainting them.
I think you just answered your own question there.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by garyhawkins01 » Thu Oct 28, 2021 15:21

This junction in Oxford seems to have four-way Give Way markings...

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7597663 ... 312!8i6656

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Re: botched road markings

Post by MotorwayGuy » Sat Oct 30, 2021 13:47

Chris5156 wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:46
MotorwayGuy wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 21:40
Not technically wrong but this one has baffled me as to how it's survived for years:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.478213, ... 384!8i8192

The only indication that the lane suddenly ends is that it is signed as a lane drop even though it isn't but should be. You can tell when someone who has never been here slams the brakes on and swerves either way.
That’s the weird arrangement the GLC used to use at lane drops, now thankfully almost all gone. You can see it at the northbound exit for the Bow Roundabout too, and it used to exist on the west side of the Thamesmead GSJ.

It’s incredibly unhelpful and I don’t know why TfL keep dumbly repainting them.
The Thamesmead one is even more strange because there are the same number of lanes after the lane drop due to a lane opening on the right. Judging by the hatched area on the right I wonder if it was originally painted as three lanes but the rightmost one was removed for some reason without changing the layout.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Chris5156 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 18:15

MotorwayGuy wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 13:47
Chris5156 wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:46
MotorwayGuy wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 21:40
Not technically wrong but this one has baffled me as to how it's survived for years:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.478213, ... 384!8i8192

The only indication that the lane suddenly ends is that it is signed as a lane drop even though it isn't but should be. You can tell when someone who has never been here slams the brakes on and swerves either way.
That’s the weird arrangement the GLC used to use at lane drops, now thankfully almost all gone. You can see it at the northbound exit for the Bow Roundabout too, and it used to exist on the west side of the Thamesmead GSJ.

It’s incredibly unhelpful and I don’t know why TfL keep dumbly repainting them.
The Thamesmead one is even more strange because there are the same number of lanes after the lane drop due to a lane opening on the right. Judging by the hatched area on the right I wonder if it was originally painted as three lanes but the rightmost one was removed for some reason without changing the layout.
That’s exactly what happened - it used to be a three-to-two lane drop, the same as the Sun in the Sands one you posted. It’s now even worse.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by AlexBr967 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:24

2 stop lines for the traffic lights. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.96511 ... 384!8i8192

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Re: botched road markings

Post by trickstat » Tue Nov 02, 2021 17:15

AlexBr967 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:24
2 stop lines for the traffic lights. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.96511 ... 384!8i8192
I believe that to be a waiting area for unicyclists. :roll:

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Re: botched road markings

Post by SteelCamel » Tue Nov 02, 2021 22:00

AlexBr967 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:24
2 stop lines for the traffic lights. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.96511 ... 384!8i8192
Looks like the lights and stop line have been moved back to make way for a wider crossing - but someone forgot to erase the old line. If you look at it in 2009 you can see that the lights are further forward, by the far (then only) stop line. And also an interesting traffic signal...

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Chris Bertram » Tue Nov 02, 2021 22:45

SteelCamel wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 22:00
AlexBr967 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:24
2 stop lines for the traffic lights. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.96511 ... 384!8i8192
Looks like the lights and stop line have been moved back to make way for a wider crossing - but someone forgot to erase the old line. If you look at it in 2009 you can see that the lights are further forward, by the far (then only) stop line. And also an interesting traffic signal...
Go way back and the light sequence in Italy was Red - Green - Green+Amber - Red. However in this instance it will be that at the instant of the photo, the amber was lit while the green was still fading, the halogen lamps in Mellor signals were like that.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by WhiteBlueRed » Sun Jan 23, 2022 15:41

Give Way lines for the far carriageway of this T-junction were done the other way round, with the double line being on the right, and the single line being on the left. I wonder why.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.70531 ... 8192?hl=en

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Re: botched road markings

Post by swissferry » Sun Jan 23, 2022 17:57

I guess you'll have to go around the roundabout again if the lights change to red when you are in this yellow box.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by skiddaw05 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 18:16

WhiteBlueRed wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 15:41
Give Way lines for the far carriageway of this T-junction were done the other way round, with the double line being on the right, and the single line being on the left. I wonder why.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.70531 ... 8192?hl=en
The second set of give way line are for traffic turning right from the side road onto the far carriageway. It appears back to front because a driver turning right into the side road from the left will pass to the left of a driver waiting to turn right out of the side road. Not a nice looking junction though

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Big L » Sun Jan 23, 2022 18:33

skiddaw05 wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 18:16
WhiteBlueRed wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 15:41
Give Way lines for the far carriageway of this T-junction were done the other way round, with the double line being on the right, and the single line being on the left. I wonder why.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.70531 ... 8192?hl=en
The second set of give way line are for traffic turning right from the side road onto the far carriageway. It appears back to front because a driver turning right into the side road from the left will pass to the left of a driver waiting to turn right out of the side road. Not a nice looking junction though
So you're saying it's the nearer markings that are wrong then?
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Re: botched road markings

Post by tom66 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 21:36

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.366409, ... 384!8i8192

The 'merge in' arrows were left after double white lines replaced the former solid and dashed line arrangement. (Go back to 2019 for an example.) Makes for a peculiar sight.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by jnty » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:02

swissferry wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 17:57
I guess you'll have to go around the roundabout again if the lights change to red when you are in this yellow box.
It's OK, Edinburgh drivers are quite used to such things.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by WhiteBlueRed » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:09

No hazard line before a solid line here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.9691134 ... 384!8i8192

Very strange markings in this parking garage. Right lane gives way, left lane has a Stop line for some reason (probably a traffic light that can't be seen from space), and the road ahead has a "pedestrian lane", instead of a pavement.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5601296 ... a=!3m1!1e3

No point in a Give Way on this side, as you can only turn left.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4380758 ... 384!8i8192
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Re: botched road markings

Post by jnty » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:10

Big L wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 18:33
skiddaw05 wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 18:16
WhiteBlueRed wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 15:41
Give Way lines for the far carriageway of this T-junction were done the other way round, with the double line being on the right, and the single line being on the left. I wonder why.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.70531 ... 8192?hl=en
The second set of give way line are for traffic turning right from the side road onto the far carriageway. It appears back to front because a driver turning right into the side road from the left will pass to the left of a driver waiting to turn right out of the side road. Not a nice looking junction though
So you're saying it's the nearer markings that are wrong then?
They're both correct (by some definition of 'correct') - the nearside markings are painted to imply that a driver joining from the side road should enter at the east side of the gap, opposite the carriageway they've come from, and then join the carriageway from the other side, while traffic leaving the westbound carriageway of the main road should enter the gap via the little slip lane and wait at the west end of the gap, opposite the carriageway of the side road they're aiming for.

In any case I'm not sure they're that helpful - the junction is realistically arranged as a bit of a free-for-all so drivers should be on full alert and not making assumptions based on slightly confusing markings which don't account for conflicts between turning traffic.

edit: a closer look at the tyre marks at this junction seem to imply a lot of west-to-east U-turns happen here - I wonder why? It's just after a GSJ but I can't immediately see any missing movements that this provides?

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Re: botched road markings

Post by c2R » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:28

This is superb and finally on GSV (been waiting for this one!)

Right turn arrow and some funny double dashed lines in the centre:

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1743277 ... 384!8i8192
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