Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

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Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by jackal » Thu Jan 27, 2022 16:46

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.43789 ... 384!8i8192

This is due to the A18 taking over the route of a B road with little improvement.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by jervi » Thu Jan 27, 2022 17:21

By Axx, not sure if you are wanting a two digit PR or just any PR. But for the latter I give you the A272.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.99325 ... 384!8i8192 - stop & giveway & coolham
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.98621 ... 312!8i6656 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.98601 ... 312!8i6656 Gives way twice in Petworth (although the last one turning left there isn't actually anyone to giveway to except a driveway opposite.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.01508 ... 384!8i8192 - Giveway at Petersfield

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by Mapper89062 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 21:30

The A59 used to give way to the B6265 in Green Hammerton before the bypass was constructed, as a result of the same renumbering scheme that caused the A1079.

Although rural examples are rare, there must be some on gyratory systems in urban areas, as they often incorporated sections of residential street.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by KeithW » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:28

Despite it having only 2 numbers the A18 at that point really doesnt carry much traffic, around 4k. The major route is the A16. What really needs sorting out is the junction of the A18 and A1173 which is the worst sort of flat junction and a well known accident black spot. I went through the in 2019 at a time when it was busy and it was downright dangerous.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.55679 ... 8192?hl=en

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by Rob590 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47

Northbound traffic on the A67 at Startforth (Barnard Castle) gives way to the B6277.

Not far away, the A68 has to give way to traffic on an unclassified road in West Auckland.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by KeithW » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:26

Actually the dog leg through Ludborough is the original route of the A16 before it was bypassed
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 3,-0.03996,

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by AlexBr967 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:59

3 numbers but still primary: https://goo.gl/maps/VzjoBordMZ6pe4mw9. Not sure if we're counting gyratories though.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by solocle » Fri Jan 28, 2022 13:33

Trunk A9 gives way to non-primary A832
I think worth noting as it's an Ax route.

There's this weird gyratory, and has the A4 giving way to an unclassified road, kind of. A4 / London Road

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by jackal » Fri Jan 28, 2022 16:09

KeithW wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:26
Actually the dog leg through Ludborough is the original route of the A16 before it was bypassed
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 3,-0.03996,
Sure, but the give way is due to the A18 taking over the B1431's route, as per your map.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by Was92now625 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 21:43

solocle wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 13:33
Trunk A9 gives way to non-primary A832
I think worth noting as it's an Ax route.
Of course, previously it was A882 both ways on the main road and A895 giving way.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by KeithW » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:44

jackal wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 16:09
KeithW wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:26
Actually the dog leg through Ludborough is the original route of the A16 before it was bypassed
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 3,-0.03996,
Sure, but the give way is due to the A18 taking over the B1431's route, as per your map.

The B1431 was considerably improved before being renumbered and bypasses were built on the A16 at Louth , Ludborough, North Thoresby and Scartho. Its not exactly an accident that this happened in the late 90's/early 2000's. The closure of the East Lincolnshire railway line and opening of the container terminal at Immingham played their part.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by BeenEverywhere » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:47

KeithW wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:28
Despite it having only 2 numbers the A18 at that point really doesnt carry much traffic, around 4k. The major route is the A16. What really needs sorting out is the junction of the A18 and A1173 which is the worst sort of flat junction and a well known accident black spot. I went through the in 2019 at a time when it was busy and it was downright dangerous.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.55679 ... 8192?hl=en
It cuts the corner off between the A16 and either the Humber Bridge, or the only motorway in the county, so it can get really busy at peak times. If that corner wasn't a giveway, there would be some really silly speeds going on.
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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by jackal » Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:40

What I find surprising is that, beyond the A1173 junction, the A18 is signed for the M180 and Humber Bridge, yet it loses primary status there. I get that the A1173 is primary because it goes to Immingham, which is quite an important strategic destination, but surely not as important as all the places you can reach via the M180 and Humber Bridge.

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by KeithW » Mon Jan 31, 2022 14:57

BeenEverywhere wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:47
It cuts the corner off between the A16 and either the Humber Bridge, or the only motorway in the county, so it can get really busy at peak times. If that corner wasn't a giveway, there would be some really silly speeds going on.

AADF on the A18 at Ludborough is 4k, the A18 only gets busy NW of the A46, the junction with the A16 at Ludborough can be tricky, AADF is 16k and the traffic is usually rather fast. In the autumn of 2019 I was staying at a cottage in Fotherby so am reasonably familiar with the place as my route to get there was in fact M180/A18/A16. The problem with the A18 was that while its shorter the right turn across the A16 at peak period of a Friday afternoon is not something I would like to do again.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.43389 ... 6656?hl=en

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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by Beardy5632 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 22:36

2 examples I'm familiar with in Northumberland are the A1068 in Warkworth and the A197 in Woodhorn.

The A4110 in Herefordshire also used to give way to the B4529 and an unclassified road but looking on Google Maps this is now a mini roundabout.
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Re: Axx primary route gives way to unclassified road (A18 Ludborough)

Post by BeenEverywhere » Tue Feb 01, 2022 09:13

KeithW wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 14:57
BeenEverywhere wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:47
It cuts the corner off between the A16 and either the Humber Bridge, or the only motorway in the county, so it can get really busy at peak times. If that corner wasn't a giveway, there would be some really silly speeds going on.

AADF on the A18 at Ludborough is 4k, the A18 only gets busy NW of the A46, the junction with the A16 at Ludborough can be tricky, AADF is 16k and the traffic is usually rather fast. In the autumn of 2019 I was staying at a cottage in Fotherby so am reasonably familiar with the place as my route to get there was in fact M180/A18/A16. The problem with the A18 was that while its shorter the right turn across the A16 at peak period of a Friday afternoon is not something I would like to do again.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.43389 ... 6656?hl=en
Yep, it can be sketchy AF pulling out of there at times. If I'm coming back at "going home" time, I will often do a left instead, through the village, and come out on to the A16 on the next junction up. The visibility is so much better and there's normally no one waiting to turn right out of it.

https://goo.gl/maps/Sj5C9T9JSjtBqEKz6
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