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Not sure if this has been posted before, but I think I've found the original M1 Jucntion 2 on the British Pathe website.
As you approach the junction you can see the signs for A1 Hatfield & Aylesbury on the right. On the left you will see a National Petrol station. National became part of BP and there is still a BP station on the site. There is also a bus stop on the left, which I believe is still there.
We start off approaching a set of lights with the M1 slip road just beyond. But there's no junction there now, is there? So what road merged in from the left, just after the National garage? The M1 is there now isn't it?
The M1 j1-j2 presumably hasn't been built yet (or finished) if this mystery road is still there. The long line of hitch-hikers seems to confirm this (it is, after all, the start of the M1 out of London at this time). As does the big blue motorway works sign (I'm guessing this says "London to Yorkshire Motorway (M.1)").
And yet as we follow the curving slip road, we have a carriageway merging in from the left seemingly - evidenced by the lighting columns to our left and the merge warning signs. I can only assume this is the northbound M1 mainline - but if so, then it must be open. Or is this some other road merging in from the left with us becoming the mainline?
Anyhow, those lighting columns are great - concrete ones and the steel ones. And it leaves me all misty eyed to see roads how they should be, unencumbered by clutter, red markings, hatchings, yellow-backed signs - and suburban NSL dual carriageways!
Looking at Get-a-map, I can only assume that before the j1-j2 stretch was built, the A1 to M1 flyover at the Fiveways Junction predates the M1 extension and carried northbound A1 traffic onto the A1 (not M1) just past the National garage? The map seems to suggest the footbridge is still there.BobSykes wrote:So what road merged in from the left, just after the National garage? The M1 is there now isn't it?
Still doesn't explain the carriageway joining the M1 from the left at old j2 - unless there was another slip road from the A1 flyover onto the M1 which followed the current M1 mainline?
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/gallery/d ... =0&pos=263
I guess you all knew this anyway...
I've seen some pics of these here somewhere as well.
Now, on the video, skip to about 40 seconds. You can see fast moving traffic coming from the left, so presumably, it is what is now the M1 mainline, and merged in like a standard slip road. This would mean that Bob's map is partially correct, as in there was a right-hand entry. It doesn't show Fiveways very well, but this is what I think it used to be like.
Oh yes, they are!Derek wrote:Yes there was, I rmemeber that. I seem to think Tom Sutch posted them, but they're not on his Apex Corner site.mittfh wrote:Im sure I remember seeing a thread or article sometime about the M1 J2 temporary terminus - including a photographic tour of what remains today...
Can I throw this (unfortunately, a bit too diagrammatic) map into the mix, too (from the BP 1975 atlas)...
I'm still completely puzzled as to how the Fiveways Corner junction looked. My guess is that before the M1 arrived at all, there was a temporary Hogarth/Temple Meads style flyover for A1-A1 northbound traffic (the red flyover), then this was removed and replaced by the big concrete flyovers for M1 -- I can't imagine the situation on the map above actually existing
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You got me! But, I didn't even have to see the link to know the URL it pointed to... all I read from that post was theTom wrote:Or ones that are linked to two messages above yoursBigToe wrote:Heh... I'm not a smarta*se, I can just remember old websites I visit
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Or I just didn't look before I typed