A3 Hindhead Tunnel
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A3 Hindhead Tunnel
I can't find the original thread
For anybody that can make it, there is an exhibition for the scheme next Friday and Saturday 19 and 20.01.2007. Details here:
http://www.highways.gov.uk/news/pressre ... eid=142653
I also have a copy of the latest newsletter for the scheme but until I can ascertain whether its for public consumption or not I better not post it here
Watch this space
For anybody that can make it, there is an exhibition for the scheme next Friday and Saturday 19 and 20.01.2007. Details here:
http://www.highways.gov.uk/news/pressre ... eid=142653
I also have a copy of the latest newsletter for the scheme but until I can ascertain whether its for public consumption or not I better not post it here
Watch this space
Glad to see that this seems to be picking up momentum, but I won't believe it until I see the works on the ground
As for the newsletter, if it's this one on the HA website:
http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/docume ... sion_2.pdf
then we can probably assume it's for public release
As for the newsletter, if it's this one on the HA website:
http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/docume ... sion_2.pdf
then we can probably assume it's for public release
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Thanks for that, its similar, the one I have has a few layout plans as wellCJ wrote:Glad to see that this seems to be picking up momentum, but I won't believe it until I see the works on the ground
As for the newsletter, if it's this one on the HA website:
http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/docume ... sion_2.pdf
then we can probably assume it's for public release
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Best to read the newsletter - Tunnel starts March 2008 - there's a lot of work to do to get in a position to start tunnelling such as establishing access to portals (both are appproached by large embankments), site offices etc etccjmillsnun wrote:On the news this morning:-
Clearance work starts today, with the tunneling proper starting in April.
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And instantly removes a more suitable diversion route in most casessotonsteve wrote:I heard that the old A3 around the Devil's Punch Bowl was going to be returned to nature after the scheme. I don't like it when this happens, as local traffic is then forced to take a route it never had to for the past how many hundreds of years.
But if you keep the old A3 it completely defeats the point of building the tunnel. If traffic was to continue going around the Punchbowl and through Hindhead village centre, then just scrap the tunnel, and do an on line upgrade across the common for 1/4 of the price in 1/4 of the time.
The point of the scheme isnt just to benifit long distance road users, its to benifit locals and nature as well.
Anyway, its all by the by anyway because the national Trust had the Highways Agency over a barrel as NT land cannot have compulsory purchase orders put on it, so the only way was to have a trade off of land, whereby the NT gives up the land for the tunnel portals/approaches in exchange for the old A3 being dug up and the two halfs of the common being reunited.
It seems barmy that the locals, especially in Grayshott are so self obsessed about keeping the old A3 open, for the sake of an extra 2 minutes on their journey.
The arguement about what happens in the event of an incident in the tunnel IMHO is daft too, because you cant justify the expense and effort orf keeping the old road open for a "what if" scenario. The tunnel is twin bore so this gives flexibility with divertions and I dare say the tunnel will be much safer with much fewer accidents than the old road with the sharp bens and traffic lights.
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The point of the scheme isnt just to benifit long distance road users, its to benifit locals and nature as well.
Anyway, its all by the by anyway because the national Trust had the Highways Agency over a barrel as NT land cannot have compulsory purchase orders put on it, so the only way was to have a trade off of land, whereby the NT gives up the land for the tunnel portals/approaches in exchange for the old A3 being dug up and the two halfs of the common being reunited.
It seems barmy that the locals, especially in Grayshott are so self obsessed about keeping the old A3 open, for the sake of an extra 2 minutes on their journey.
The arguement about what happens in the event of an incident in the tunnel IMHO is daft too, because you cant justify the expense and effort orf keeping the old road open for a "what if" scenario. The tunnel is twin bore so this gives flexibility with divertions and I dare say the tunnel will be much safer with much fewer accidents than the old road with the sharp bens and traffic lights.
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i agree, there is no point in keeping the old A3 open as it will defeat the point of the tunnel. Its like the stonehenge tunnel being opened, but keeping the existing A303 open as it is - just in case.
plus the devil's punchbowl will be so much nicer and quieter with the A3 gone. Once you've seen the devil's punchbowl, you'll understand why the A3 needs to be removed.
As an aside, can i take it that thanks to the brilliant idea of of road tolling, that this effectively has killed off the stonehenge tunnel (i remember reading that road tolling means there would be no need for any more major roadbuilding). does this mean that the likes of the hindhead tunnel and M6 cumberland gap are the last of new roads we'll see??
plus the devil's punchbowl will be so much nicer and quieter with the A3 gone. Once you've seen the devil's punchbowl, you'll understand why the A3 needs to be removed.
As an aside, can i take it that thanks to the brilliant idea of of road tolling, that this effectively has killed off the stonehenge tunnel (i remember reading that road tolling means there would be no need for any more major roadbuilding). does this mean that the likes of the hindhead tunnel and M6 cumberland gap are the last of new roads we'll see??
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I'm from Grayshott!!!!
Yes there is serious point in keeeping the old road open.
1) What if there's a prang iin the tunnel??? whats the diversion, B2131 and A286 through Haslemere dont think that's a good idea. Possinly A325 A31, but the junction at Farnham is a joke and they'd need serous amoints of MS3/MS4's south of Petersfield and north of Guildford to do that.\
2) The location of the single dumbbell (that will be hopelessly undercapacityO nearwer Grayshott than Hindhead will increas ratrunners to Grayshott onto roads that cannot cope with the increased traffic levels. The B3002 Headley road can just cope with what its given at the mo, but traffic will divert to the U/C Crossways road, with a steep bend and 2 steep hills, that certainly can't take heavy traffic. ps Its not NIMBYism, we've wanted a bypass for years, theyve just %%%%ed up the jucntion layouts! the inconsiderate $$£%£'s!!!!!!!!!!! and dont get me started on the vindictive National Trust. I used to, I emphasise USED to approve oif them but noit any more considering their heavy handed and arrogant way of dealing with locals. Bunch of %£%$£
3) Why should local traffic have to be mixed in with long distance traffic anyway. Isn't that part of what a bypass is all about????
Yes there is serious point in keeeping the old road open.
1) What if there's a prang iin the tunnel??? whats the diversion, B2131 and A286 through Haslemere dont think that's a good idea. Possinly A325 A31, but the junction at Farnham is a joke and they'd need serous amoints of MS3/MS4's south of Petersfield and north of Guildford to do that.\
2) The location of the single dumbbell (that will be hopelessly undercapacityO nearwer Grayshott than Hindhead will increas ratrunners to Grayshott onto roads that cannot cope with the increased traffic levels. The B3002 Headley road can just cope with what its given at the mo, but traffic will divert to the U/C Crossways road, with a steep bend and 2 steep hills, that certainly can't take heavy traffic. ps Its not NIMBYism, we've wanted a bypass for years, theyve just %%%%ed up the jucntion layouts! the inconsiderate $$£%£'s!!!!!!!!!!! and dont get me started on the vindictive National Trust. I used to, I emphasise USED to approve oif them but noit any more considering their heavy handed and arrogant way of dealing with locals. Bunch of %£%$£
3) Why should local traffic have to be mixed in with long distance traffic anyway. Isn't that part of what a bypass is all about????
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My point exactly. Down here you hear complaints that the M27 is used for junction hopping. Is it any surprise when speed limits come crashing down and traffic lights sprout up all over the place.M4 Cardiff wrote: 3) Why should local traffic have to be mixed in with long distance traffic anyway. Isn't that part of what a bypass is all about????
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...and when it's the signed route from Wickham to Fareham...sotonsteve wrote:My point exactly. Down here you hear complaints that the M27 is used for junction hopping. Is it any surprise when speed limits come crashing down and traffic lights sprout up all over the place.
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Local traffic wont be mixed with long distance traffic as all the "local" traffic that wold be going along the old A3 if it was kept open is heading for the A3 anyway, to go to Guildford/M25/London etc. The local traffic moves across the A3 from Grayshott/Beacon Hill - Haslemere. Its purley selfish on behalf of the locals up there not wanting to drive an extra 2 minutes.
Crossways road TBH is probably mare capable of handling traffic than the narrow obstacle course that is the high street in Grayshott, and therefore keeping traffic out of Grayshott centre. If it was such a problem why didnt the locals campaign to have Crossways Road closed at the old A3 end? How many HGV's are heading for Headley anyway???
I say it again, if the old A3 was to be kept open, it should have been upgraded on line, on the cheap and it would have been done by now.
Crossways road TBH is probably mare capable of handling traffic than the narrow obstacle course that is the high street in Grayshott, and therefore keeping traffic out of Grayshott centre. If it was such a problem why didnt the locals campaign to have Crossways Road closed at the old A3 end? How many HGV's are heading for Headley anyway???
I say it again, if the old A3 was to be kept open, it should have been upgraded on line, on the cheap and it would have been done by now.
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It might have been environmentally insensitive, but it could potentially have produced a road of equal standard to the tunnel for a lot less cost. It could also have been NSL throughout whereas I imagine the tunnels will be 50.sotonsteve wrote:And that would have been a botch job on the trunk network.Andy_J wrote:I say it again, if the old A3 was to be kept open, it should have been upgraded on line, on the cheap and it would have been done by now.
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