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Ruperts Trooper wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:29
Ok, I'll rephrase that "There are legal differences between a 3-lane all-purpose dual carriageway and a 3-lane motorway - speed limits for certain vehicles and use of the outermost lane"
It's more important to note the legal differences for drivers/vehicles than whether or not a hard-shoulder is present.
There's a lot more than just that though.
Traffic other than Class I and II, frontage development and gas mains being forbidden for a start.
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You can't though, because that sign is explicitly reserved for use on a stretch of road which motorway regulations are applied to. Which is the whole point we're discussing, the way motorways are meant to work in English law means spontaneous motorways should not be possible but here we are.
So who would complain if they did it anyway? The average person wouldnt care and would treat it as if it actually was a motorway.
There are legal differences between D3 and D3M - speed limits for certain vehicles and use of the outermost lane.
As far as Im aware its D2 from the A5199 to the M1/M6 diverge. As for speed limits signs saying 60mph for certain classes would likely work.
EpicChef wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:36The A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon is a bit of a grey area. Some would say D3ALR - it has full smart motorway tech and no hard shoulder.
Others would say D3E as it was built under expressways and not as an upgrade project.
It’s a three lane dual carriageway without a hard shoulder. No need for suffixes - its standard is simply D3.
EpicChef wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:36The A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon is a bit of a grey area. Some would say D3ALR - it has full smart motorway tech and no hard shoulder.
Others would say D3E as it was built under expressways and not as an upgrade project.
It’s a three lane dual carriageway without a hard shoulder. No need for suffixes - its standard is simply D3.
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Rambo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:07
There can be so much Pedantry on these forums that it baffles me. Life is too short!
Strange then that a big chunk of this thread was moved here from the 2nd Thames Crossing.
BTW i wasn't referring to your suggestion of moving the thread which i agree with. I was referring to the pedantry in the posts you were referring to above.
I think you can blame me for that one. I've only recently joined so missed the discussion on Catthorpe the first time round, and it's not local to me so I wasn't familiar with it. When it was mentioned on that thread I had a look at it and thought it was pretty ridiculous, but my comments seem to have (re-)opened several cans of worms.
Rambo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:07
There can be so much Pedantry on these forums that it baffles me. Life is too short!
Strange then that a big chunk of this thread was moved here from the 2nd Thames Crossing.
Yep, it was split off because it was off-topic there and more suited to here
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