Sorry - something ate my post. What I meant to say is that the bypass is totally dysfunctional and has been since they added the M8 and the link to the A1. It should be freeflow onto the M8 and A1 but I suspect both were 'descoped' and we now have what we have.
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Indeed, you could argue that none of the seven Scottish cities have a fully-grade separated bypass (the M8 and M74 being more of a throughpass).
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Agreed, now given the strategic value of a bypass is to take everything out of the town it passes, slamming it all into half-baked junctions is a nonsense. Mind you, England does this very well too, so it's not unique to north of the border.
I mean, we have Switch Island and the south end of the A5300, and the less said about roads like the A1237 and A27 the better.
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M73?
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Stirling’s bypass is fully grade separated, with no at-grade junctions until the Keir roundabout, which is closer to Dunblane.
If the Longman grade separation doesn’t get binned, Inverness should also qualify.
If the Longman grade separation doesn’t get binned, Inverness should also qualify.
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A bypass with a roundabout at the end is not fully grade separared.
I think I might have argued the same at some point and been shot down!
I guess the counterargument is that a road that happens to go past the narrow side of Glasgow for a mile can't really call itself a Glasgow bypass. It's more a new route option than a genuine bypass. If you were to call it a bypass it'd be for the B757/B758 or in a broader sense A73, which aren't (and never have been) in Glasgow.
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I suppose then the argument is over "where does the Stirling bypass end"? I'm still hopefully that one day we'll see the 'promise' of grade-separating the A9 roundabouts between Dunblane and Inverness fulfilled, though I'm not necessarily holding my breath, especially with the developments around Perth hemming in the current roundabouts.
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Somewhere just north of the Forth, at which point it becomes the Bridge of Allan bypass, and then just a bypass of part of the A9. I don’t disagree with your general point though!
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The Keir Roundabout is at Dunblane. By your logic if the Keir roundabout was grade seoerated Stirling wouldn’t have a proper bypass because of at grade junctions north of Dunblane, and if these gaps were closed then Broxden !
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Clearly the road up to Keir roundabout is an essential part of Stirling's bypass, as without it you'd have take the A9 through Stirling. Hence the bypass starts at Keir roundabout.haggishunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 20:13The Keir Roundabout is at Dunblane. By your logic if the Keir roundabout was grade seoerated Stirling wouldn’t have a proper bypass because of at grade junctions north of Dunblane, and if these gaps were closed then Broxden !
Your at-grade junctions north of Dunblane, by contrast, are completely irrelevant to bypassing Stirling. Grade separation or lack of it is not relevant.
Bypass is a functional definition, denoting a road that provides an alternative to an older road. It's not just any random bit of road near a town.
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Yes, a bypass has to really be seen as a link between two key points on an existing road to, er, bypass what's between. Stirling is an odd example though because it was built in so many different stages (A84 to Dunblane opened first, bypassing Bridge of Allan) and never intersected the A9 at the south end, so you could argue it's more of an accidental bypass in that regard, only becoming viable when the gap between the M80 and M876 was plugged.jackal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 20:38Clearly the road up to Keir roundabout is an essential part of Stirling's bypass, as without it you'd have take the A9 through Stirling. Hence the bypass starts at Keir roundabout.haggishunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 20:13The Keir Roundabout is at Dunblane. By your logic if the Keir roundabout was grade seoerated Stirling wouldn’t have a proper bypass because of at grade junctions north of Dunblane, and if these gaps were closed then Broxden !
Your at-grade junctions north of Dunblane, by contrast, are completely irrelevant to bypassing Stirling. Grade separation or lack of it is not relevant.
Bypass is a functional definition, denoting a road that provides an alternative to an older road. It's not just any random bit of road near a town.
This slow progress of opening the M9 in various bits also explains why the A9 still exists south of Dunblane when it really doesn't need to.
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I understand that a ministerial decision will be due at or before Autumn of this year!
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Id say that it wont happen now. the money isnt there for it. be a while before they decide on any major infrastructure projects like this again.green light wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 19:57 I understand that a ministerial decision will be due at or before Autumn of this year!
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It’s a City Deal project so may be legally committed?Gav wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 15:06Id say that it wont happen now. the money isnt there for it. be a while before they decide on any major infrastructure projects like this again.green light wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 19:57 I understand that a ministerial decision will be due at or before Autumn of this year!