Signs review finally published

[autosignguy]

Like this one...? http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Royal+E ... 2,,2,-7.69

Precisely my inspiration, that one was. As for the no pedestrians sign with a red bar, saw one of those when I was in Spain a few years back, on a slip-road by Barcelona!

[A303Chris]

Surley figure 5.2 should say "Shared Space" instead of "Share Space", but either way I like it and will be very useful to erect on the post "Maual for Streets" residential layouts we are dealing with.

[Debaser]

Reducing street scene clutter...by giving us another sign to use!!

[SC2]

I'm not sure I like the idea of greater flexibility to be honest. It relies on the idea that authorities are competent to design roadsigns, which, as highlighted in botched roadsigns, is often not the case. The sheer number of directional signs which have something wrong with them is further evidence of this.

[Bryn666]

The DfT are making moves towards making sure sign designers have the IHE certificate for sign design or equivalent.

[autosignguy]

Interesting to read the part about sign clutter, but I guess that's another discussion entirely.
However, as for the designs, surely keeping older ones as NP (non-prescribed) for special authorisation purposes could be a possible use?

I do remember there being a variant of the "Restricted Zone" sign around The Murray, Ayrshire - an early version of the sign appears here, although why it's shouting at you is another matter entirely (the all capital letters bit!).

Saying that, I wonder if they'll be re-developing parking signs entirely.

[CRB_A46]

More dumbing down of signs.

And the press reports are no better - anyone see the Telegraph today? It said (I might be the odd word out) "there will also be a new sign to stop drivers of large lorries and coaches being sent down narrow lanes by their sat-navs." How's it going to do that, then? Jump out into the carriageway and shout out "No, you can't come this way, don't listen to your sat-nav!?" Or does it send out a radio wave which interferes with any approaching sat-nav system and makes it add "but not if you're a large lorry or coach" on to the end of each instruction???

Why does everything have to be sensationalised? Why can't the facts be reported - "a new sign is being introduced to make it more explicit that a road is unsuitable for large vehicles, irrespective of what their sat-nav system says."

Aargh!!!

[/justifiable pedant mode]

[Burns]

What's wrong with signs like this? They do the job, do they not?

[Mattsignmaker]

More work for me then.

[Glen]

It's just a new version of 820 with a symbol added, it's a no-brainer really as it makes the meaning more obviously, in particular to foreign drivers. The same should apply for bus, caravan and campervan versions.
But it's hardly a completely new idea which will suddenly prevent vehicles on unsuitable roads like some media reports are making it out to be.

[Bomag]

The DfT are making moves towards making sure sign designers have the IHE certificate for sign design or equivalent.

I think that is a bit strong, its more like the official line has moved from 'we don't want to put in any additional regulation', to 'it could be useful'. The fact that the divisional and group management structure has changed may of helped.

We have been pushing for something like it for TTM designers since 2008.

[Darren]

What's wrong with signs like this? They do the job, do they not?

Unless you can't read English.

I suspect the addition of a crossed-out lorry is to aid foreign drivers, as well as make the signs stand out a bit more.

[Glen]

Its all very well specifying a dual unit version of the height warning sign as a means of avoiding the need for two signs, but they should be mandating the need for dual units on all height restrictions and warnings.
There was absolutely no good reason for continuing to permit 629.2 in TSRGD nine years ago, so it's about time they made replacement of them with 629.2A compulsory.

[Vierwielen]

What's wrong with signs like this? They do the job, do they not?

je ne pas comprendre

Ich verstehe nicht

What is wrong with a standard 7.5 tonne (or whatever) restriction - that is pretty international? What is more , I have it on reliable authority that a 44 tonne French lorry makes just as much mess as does a 44 tonne British lorry.

[Vierwielen]

More dumbing down of signs.

And the press reports are no better - anyone see the Telegraph today? It said (I might be the odd word out) "there will also be a new sign to stop drivers of large lorries and coaches being sent down narrow lanes by their sat-navs." How's it going to do that, then? Jump out into the carriageway and shout out "No, you can't come this way, don't listen to your sat-nav!?" Or does it send out a radio wave which interferes with any approaching sat-nav system and makes it add "but not if you're a large lorry or coach" on to the end of each instruction???

Why does everything have to be sensationalised? Why can't the facts be reported - "a new sign is being introduced to make it more explicit that a road is unsuitable for large vehicles, irrespective of what their sat-nav system says."

Aargh!!!

[/justifiable pedant mode]

Has the sign concerned been agreed by the Vienna Convention on Road Signs. If not, it is unlikely that foreign drivers will understand it.

[Bryn666]

How can you not understand a crossed out lorry symbol meaning 'don't bring a lorry down here'?

[Haydn1971]

How can you not understand a crossed out lorry symbol meaning 'don't bring a lorry down here'?

Well as you know, I've always said it could be misunderstood for a "end of lorry restriction"

[Conekicker]

Has the sign concerned been agreed by the Vienna Convention on Road Signs. If not, it is unlikely that foreign drivers will understand it.

I'm pretty sure the UK isn't a signatory to that particular document. I can never make my mind up as to whether that's a good thing or not

[Vierwielen]

Has the sign concerned been agreed by the Vienna Convention on Road Signs. If not, it is unlikely that foreign drivers will understand it.

I'm pretty sure the UK isn't a signatory to that particular document. I can never make my mind up as to whether that's a good thing or not

If you visit this site http://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetail ... g3&lang=en, it says that the UK is one of the original signatories, but it has not been ratified (by Parliament I assume).

[SC2]

The DfT are making moves towards making sure sign designers have the IHE certificate for sign design or equivalent.

Is that this: http://theihe.org/knowledge-network/upl ... .09.20.pdf (PDF!)

do you think it'd work?