A19/A1058 junction improvement

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crowntown100 wrote:
wrinkly wrote:The half-bridge is wide enough to carry four narrow lanes, even though the finished bridge will only be D2. (The bridges in the original Coast Road dualling, such as the bridges over the A19 roundabout, were designed for D3.)
Aren't the new bridges going to be D3, but narrowed to D2 with hatching like the original bridges?
There’s no intention to restore the Coast Road to D3, and even if that did happen, the volume of traffic turning off at the A19 is such that you’d inevitably need a lane drop there with just two lanes through the junction. So if the bridge is only going to carry two lanes why spend money to make it any wider?

What I don’t understand is why the councils up there don’t save themselves some money on paint and just mark the A1058 with a hard shoulder instead of having miles and miles of stripes.
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Chris5156 wrote:
crowntown100 wrote:
wrinkly wrote:The half-bridge is wide enough to carry four narrow lanes, even though the finished bridge will only be D2. (The bridges in the original Coast Road dualling, such as the bridges over the A19 roundabout, were designed for D3.)
Aren't the new bridges going to be D3, but narrowed to D2 with hatching like the original bridges?
There’s no intention to restore the Coast Road to D3, and even if that did happen, the volume of traffic turning off at the A19 is such that you’d inevitably need a lane drop there with just two lanes through the junction. So if the bridge is only going to carry two lanes why spend money to make it any wider?

What I don’t understand is why the councils up there don’t save themselves some money on paint and just mark the A1058 with a hard shoulder instead of having miles and miles of stripes.
I know that there isn't any intention of widening it ever, but I'm sure that the video they did of the scheme showed the bridges having the ability of carrying 3 whole lanes, even if that was never used and hatched down to two, like the rest of the Coast Road, which would suggest how they can get 4 narrow lanes over the bridge.

However, I haven't seen any drawings of the scheme, so I'm happy to be proven wrong! :)
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Chris5156 wrote:
crowntown100 wrote:
wrinkly wrote:The half-bridge is wide enough to carry four narrow lanes, even though the finished bridge will only be D2. (The bridges in the original Coast Road dualling, such as the bridges over the A19 roundabout, were designed for D3.)
Aren't the new bridges going to be D3, but narrowed to D2 with hatching like the original bridges?
There’s no intention to restore the Coast Road to D3, and even if that did happen, the volume of traffic turning off at the A19 is such that you’d inevitably need a lane drop there with just two lanes through the junction. So if the bridge is only going to carry two lanes why spend money to make it any wider?

What I don’t understand is why the councils up there don’t save themselves some money on paint and just mark the A1058 with a hard shoulder instead of having miles and miles of stripes.
Probably because "it'd be different and confusing" like any other excuse for not doing logical things.
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Bryn666 wrote:
What I don’t understand is why the councils up there don’t save themselves some money on paint and just mark the A1058 with a hard shoulder instead of having miles and miles of stripes.
Probably because "it'd be different and confusing" like any other excuse for not doing logical things.
I expect the hatching made sense when the third lane was initially removed, because it made it very obvious that the space was not to be driven in. But nobody expects to drive in it now, so it would make sense to normalise the layout. I doubt it will happen, though, because like for like renewal every time is easier than thinking about things :roll:
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I was there on Sunday and have been meaning to post that traffic on the roundabout now goes over the new south bridge over the future A19. (It was already going over the north one.)

This press release appeared a month ago:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/trip ... inal-stage

They're still fond of the phrase "triple-decker junction" and now claiming it's the first in the NE. Seem to be forgetting the A167(M).
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I was also there recently, and the progress at digging out the new A19 underpass seems slow, given that traffic was on the 'new' sliproad to the roundabout not long into 2018, and piling was in Feb/March.
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wrinkly wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 15:18
They're still fond of the phrase "triple-decker junction" and now claiming it's the first in the NE. Seem to be forgetting the A167(M).
Presumably they are referring to what we generally call stacked roundabouts and forget that there are other types of three level junctions. Growing up in Durham, stacked roundabouts were quite exotic to me, as we didn't have any in the north east. The nearest were Ferrybridge (M62/A1), M1/M62 and A1(M)/M18.
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Or they're forgetting non-HE roads.
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wrinkly wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 00:00 Or they're forgetting non-HE roads.
I expect so. In press releases HE (and HA before them) tend to assume their roads are the only roads.
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The reconstruction of Norham Road bridge over the A1058 is finished and the diamond junction is fully operational again.
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wrinkly wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 23:53 The reconstruction of Norham Road bridge over the A1058 is finished and the diamond junction is fully operational again.
Thank goodness, i was on the A1058 this summer and it was horrendous around the Norham Rd Bridge, with a contraflow and 30 mph speed limit.
On a different note, I do find the signalised junction at Billy Mill far better than the roundabout, where delays and near misses were common.
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A video of the work on the Geordie Drone channel.
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The tunnel appears to be making good progress. The level of congestion at the junction after the tunnel opens will depend on how much traffic passes straight through the junction either on the A19 or on the A1058 without needing to use the roundabout to get from one road to the other. Presumably most of the traffic which currently uses the roundabout will be A19 through traffic in which case the tunnel will make a big difference.
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I think that is the case. It certainly is when I've been up that way to visit the family.
It'll be interesting to see what impact it'll have on Moor Farm though.
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It's not far off now!


The new underpass was partially open the other day but it looks like they've shut it again on the YouTube footage, presumably just to do the finishing touches on it.
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Euan wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 21:33 The tunnel appears to be making good progress. The level of congestion at the junction after the tunnel opens will depend on how much traffic passes straight through the junction either on the A19 or on the A1058 without needing to use the roundabout to get from one road to the other. Presumably most of the traffic which currently uses the roundabout will be A19 through traffic in which case the tunnel will make a big difference.
The movements along the A19 are indeed dominant:

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(IIRC the numbers are just for the rbt, not the flyover, hence the very low A1058-A1058 numbers.)

https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... ue%201.pdf
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Beardy5632 wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 07:40 It's not far off now!


The new underpass was partially open the other day but it looks like they've shut it again on the YouTube footage, presumably just to do the finishing touches on it.
At last and a fine looking junction, also this will reduce delays for traffic travelling from the Tyne Tunnel to Northumberland by avoiding the roundabout.
Out of interest, I am old enough to remember when this had the unofficial name of the Europa Lodge roundabout, due to the motel nearby.
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It's going to be a much better route heading that way once it's all open. Very different from this time 10 years ago when the new tunnel let alone the Silverlink was still being constructed.

I wonder if they'll start looking at Moor Farm and Seaton Burn again once this is complete.
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Open today, Evening Chronic article has a video. Still ranting on about it being a triple decker roundabout... :(

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... d-16058021
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Up to date drone footage:
https://youtu.be/4xtT-wPCdOI
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