A1(M) Leeming - Barton

[SteveA30]

I don't think it is a lack of understanding, more like a lack of willingness to pay more for more durable materials. They understand perfectly what they are doing. The British disease again. Cheapness over quality. A far more serious example of this is now playing out in public enquiry.

[NICK 647063]

So maybe the Leeming lane drop wasn’t changed as they were aware resurfacing would be happening very soon although the gantry signage will need changing.

As for me saying full reconstruction well yes they state resurfacing but why is the whole thing needing resurfacing including the hard shoulder which isn’t used as a running lane? The section south of J49 was an early 90’s construction and has still got the original hard shoulder surface so definitely something dodgy about this section needing the full lot doing.

[Paul7755]

The signs for the Catterick Central exit on the northbound carriageway have a covered-up second destination line. The first line is Catterick; I suppose the covered-up line could be...

I hope it isn’t “Services”...

[Mark Hewitt]

Came through Scotch Corner yesterday from the A66 and the new entrance to the A1(M) n/b is somewhat strange with having to go along a short connector road to another roundabout before finally being able to join the motorway - although this is made somewhat easier given that it's a lane gain, so no worries about having to slot in quickly.

The short connector road was two lanes going North but coned down to one, but it had both lanes marked as ahead at the roundabout.

[wrinkly]

The short connector road was two lanes going North but coned down to one, but it had both lanes marked as ahead at the roundabout.

In one version of the plans the connector road between the roundabouts was shown as dual carriageway.

So maybe the Leeming lane drop wasn’t changed as they were aware resurfacing would be happening very soon although the gantry signage will need changing.

I'd been wondering that too.

[Berk]

Can anyone clarify if the old A1 still runs from (the old) Catterick South to Catterick Central, on the eastbound side?? All the plans I saw show it as being ripped up beyond the junction with Catterick Kane, and Tunstall Road.

Yet OS has it running along the southbound carriageway, sometimes stil as D2, sometimes as S2. On the Explorer scale, it’s shown as another spur of the A6136.

[wrinkly]

Can anyone clarify if the old A1 still runs from (the old) Catterick South to Catterick Central, on the eastbound side?? All the plans I saw show it as being ripped up beyond the junction with Catterick Kane, and Tunstall Road.

It's as shown in all the scheme plans I remember seeing: the former northbound carriageway remains; the southbound has been dug up and grassed over. If I remember correctly it's signed as A6055, though current OS 1:50k wrongly shows it as a yellow road. Google Maps and OSM show it as A6055. OS 1:25k shows the part you mentioned as A6136, while showing it as A6055 south of Catterick South.

At one stage, when temporarily closed, it was omitted from OS 1:50k.

[Paul7755]

Does the A6055 from the south carry on across the A1(M) at J52, and totso back into Catterick, or does it restart somewhere in Catterick, eg by the junction near the racecourse? Or is it just a multiplex with the A6136?

Logically wouldn’t it be better for the A6055 to be the number of the continuous road through Catterick, with the A6136 having both the route over J52, and the other route towards the racecourse? Although ‘logic’ isn’t often relevant...

Paul

[wrinkly]

Does the A6055 from the south carry on across the A1(M) at J52, and totso back into Catterick, or does it restart somewhere in Catterick, eg by the junction near the racecourse? Or is it just a multiplex with the A6136?

Logically wouldn’t it be better for the A6055 to be the number of the continuous road through Catterick, with the A6136 having both the route over J52, and the other route towards the racecourse? Although ‘logic’ isn’t often relevant...

I haven't always remembered to notice all the road numbers on signs, but if you see my post at the top of page 78 (19 Nov 2017) it seems the A6055 is continuous.

[Paul7755]

Does the A6055 from the south carry on across the A1(M) at J52, and totso back into Catterick, or does it restart somewhere in Catterick, eg by the junction near the racecourse? Or is it just a multiplex with the A6136?

Logically wouldn’t it be better for the A6055 to be the number of the continuous road through Catterick, with the A6136 having both the route over J52, and the other route towards the racecourse? Although ‘logic’ isn’t often relevant...

I haven't always remembered to notice all the road numbers on signs, but if you see my post at the top of page 78 (19 Nov 2017) it seems the A6055 is continuous.

Ah thanks, I had a quick scan through a few pages but didn’t go that far back. So it’s possible it’s now the A6136 that has a gap? Indeed follow up posts on page 78 suggest it may no longer even be signed past the east of the racecourse.

[Robert Kilcoyne]

Does the A6055 from the south carry on across the A1(M) at J52, and totso back into Catterick, or does it restart somewhere in Catterick, eg by the junction near the racecourse? Or is it just a multiplex with the A6136?

Logically wouldn’t it be better for the A6055 to be the number of the continuous road through Catterick, with the A6136 having both the route over J52, and the other route towards the racecourse? Although ‘logic’ isn’t often relevant...

I haven't always remembered to notice all the road numbers on signs, but if you see my post at the top of page 78 (19 Nov 2017) it seems the A6055 is continuous.

While the A6055 is continuous between A1(M) Junction 50 and Scotch Corner, there is a significant gap between A1(M) Junction 50 and Boroughbridge, and there would be an argument for renumbering the A6055 between Boroughbridge and Knaresborough as the A6040 to provide a single number for the Harrogate to Boroughbridge road.

[NICK 647063]

Ah thanks, I had a quick scan through a few pages but didn’t go that far back. So it’s possible it’s now the A6136 that has a gap? Indeed follow up posts on page 78 suggest it may no longer even be signed past the east of the racecourse

I’ve just purchased the 2019 A to Z map and irs shown correctly, basically the A6055 is continuous through J52 with a TOTSO with the A6136, the A6055 has now taken over the A6136 old A1 through Catterick Bridge with the A6136 now downgraded through Catterick village, so the A6136 starting point is now just west of J52.

[stu531]

While the A6055 is continuous between A1(M) Junction 50 and Scotch Corner, there is a significant gap between A1(M) Junction 50 and Boroughbridge, and there would be an argument for renumbering the A6055 between Boroughbridge and Knaresborough as the A6040 to provide a single number for the Harrogate to Boroughbridge road.

I've wondered about this one myself. The A6040 would have quite a length of multiplex if this was to happen, with the A59. If the Harrogate Northern Bypass is built, it would certainly be the logical choice, especially if the A661 was extended along Skipton Road. The A6040 would be the actual number from Harrogate through to Knaresborough, with the B6165 taking the route from Ripley to the A1.

The other route number you could use from Knaresborough to Boroughbridge would be B6163 - it's arguably B-road quality anyway. (The old number of the road from Knaresborough to Boroughbridge was B6166.)

[Glenn A]

The Catterick Central junction makes far more sense if you're going to the racecourse or Catterick Garrison. If you're travelling from the north, it must take about five minutes off your journey, by eliminating the slow drive through Catterick village.

[Repmobile]

The signs for the Catterick Central exit on the northbound carriageway have a covered-up second destination line. The first line is Catterick; I suppose the covered-up line could be Richmond, or Brompton [-on-Swale], or "& Garrison" or "& Racecourse".

It is Richmond that is covered up:

https://bit.ly/2KfGEa3

[Chris Bertram]

The signs for the Catterick Central exit on the northbound carriageway have a covered-up second destination line. The first line is Catterick; I suppose the covered-up line could be Richmond, or Brompton [-on-Swale], or "& Garrison" or "& Racecourse".

It is Richmond that is covered up:

https://bit.ly/2KfGEa3

Why?

[Robert Kilcoyne]

The fork sign at Junction 52 northbound according to Street View last year. Richmond is there, but Scotch Corner is not, and it is the next primary destination travelling northbound.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3752698 ... 312!8i6656

[wrinkly]

The fork sign at Junction 52 northbound according to Street View last year. Richmond is there, but Scotch Corner is not, and it is the next primary destination travelling northbound.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3752698 ... 312!8i6656

Richmond has since been covered up, as also on the 1 mile sign linked by Repmobile, and the half-mile sign.

Signage for Scotch Corner now gets less as you get nearer. I forget the exact situation but it could even be that the only proximate sign is one for Scotch Corner Services in the gore of the exit.

[Roadmeister17]

It's interesting to see the various new signs on the main approaches to Scotch Corner's Junction 53. I am glad that Leeds is now flagged up with Wetherby on both the southbound A1(M) and also the south-eastbound A66.
Ideally I would like to see Newcastle signposted from the M1 at J42 ( going north-east onto the A1(M) ) and Leeds from the A1(M) at J65 heading south.

Roadmeister 17.

[SarahJ]

It's interesting to see the various new signs on the main approaches to Scotch Corner's Junction 53. I am glad that Leeds is now flagged up with Wetherby on both the southbound A1(M) and also the south-eastbound A66.
Ideally I would like to see Newcastle signposted from the M1 at J42 ( going north-east onto the A1(M) ) and Leeds from the A1(M) at J65 heading south.

Roadmeister 17.

We have never really done long distance signposting in the UK, so you end up with signs saying M1 North Luton, and then places like Scotch Corner and/or Whetherby being the only destinations shown until you pass them. One day there might be the thrill of seeing a sign at the start of the M6 saying Glasgow, the M4 saying Cardiff, the M5 Exeter.
Now here is how you do a road sign https://goo.gl/maps/DjKCqRJjZHm tho' there are some massive ones shown in Russia. which way shall we go here? https://goo.gl/maps/2XqUXHJmHQ72