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Stravaiger wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 18:07 How's Luncarty/ Birnam progressing?
Anyone?
There's a recent view of it here starting at 2:09:15
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A9Craig wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 19:50 There's a recent view of it here starting at 2:09:15
'Opening Spring 2021' at 2:09:12 - This sign definitely needs updating!
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IAN wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 21:05
A9Craig wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 19:50 There's a recent view of it here starting at 2:09:15
'Opening Spring 2021' at 2:09:12 - This sign definitely needs updating!
That'll be fairly valid until the wednesday in august that passes for summer happens.
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Nwallace wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:42
IAN wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 21:05
A9Craig wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 19:50 There's a recent view of it here starting at 2:09:15
'Opening Spring 2021' at 2:09:12 - This sign definitely needs updating!
That'll be fairly valid until the wednesday in august that passes for summer happens.
As stated in this news post it should open in the winter of 2021.
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Can't wait for the next section to start!
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OliverH wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 11:35 Can't wait for the next section to start!
I wouldn't hold your breath on that considering the discussions of a formal co-operation agreement between the SNP and the Greens which will inevitably mean that some policy concessions will have to be made. Last year as part of the budget negotiations the A9 and A96 dualling survived but it was agreed to review the Sheriffhall grade separation and provide free bus travel to under 19s (now to be extended to under 22s). I think the Greens would want more some more extensive concessions in exchange for a deal which will last the full parliamentary term.

If the A9 dualling policy survives then hopefully the next section (Tomatin to Moy) will start construction in late 2022 or early 2023.
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A9Dan wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 12:34
OliverH wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 11:35 Can't wait for the next section to start!
I wouldn't hold your breath on that considering the discussions of a formal co-operation agreement between the SNP and the Greens which will inevitably mean that some policy concessions will have to be made. Last year as part of the budget negotiations the A9 and A96 dualling survived but it was agreed to review the Sheriffhall grade separation and provide free bus travel to under 19s (now to be extended to under 22s). I think the Greens would want more some more extensive concessions in exchange for a deal which will last the full parliamentary term.

If the A9 dualling policy survives then hopefully the next section (Tomatin to Moy) will start construction in late 2022 or early 2023.
I wouldn't be too pessimistic regarding the A9. The SNP are only 1 vote short of an overall majority and I doubt they would cancel large sections of a flagship government project to appease the Scottish Greens with their 7 MSPs.

The review of review the Sheriffhall was just to placate the Greens into getting the budget through when their numbers were down to 61 MSPs, I'm sure it will go ahead eventually. Also I'd imagine they'd get the votes required to continue with the dualling from the other parties.

Coincidently Murdo Fraser asked a question about the A9 yesterday a FMQs and said that: "The Scottish Gov. commitment is clear." read what you will into that answer. You can watch the interaction below:

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeti ... d=12:48:00
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I would think that the Conservatives would support anything to progress the A9 and A96 - I would hope another section would be out to tender before the end of this year
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As they are averaging roughly one section per parliament, I would not hold your breath on the A9 or the A96.
The Scottish Government are doing just enough to still claim it is progressing and no more!
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Regarding the A9 rebuilding in the 70s and 80s, I can’t recall seeing a list of all the schemes involved like what we often see on this thread (and is much appreciated).

So, I thought I’d create one showing the original scheme name along with start and end years. I’m not sure if all the scheme designations are correct, and there are some years missing, so any help appreciated (particularly from Duncan macknight).

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A9Craig wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 20:06 Regarding the A9 rebuilding in the 70s and 80s, I can’t recall seeing a list of all the schemes involved like what we often see on this thread (and is much appreciated).

So, I thought I’d create one showing the original scheme name along with start and end years. I’m not sure if all the scheme designations are correct, and there are some years missing, so any help appreciated (particularly from Duncan macknight).


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So it looks like the first one started in 1973 and the last one finished in 1986 meaning a 13 year rebuilding program. I guess if we take that as a baseline how long will it take for the current schemes?
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lotrjw wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 15:37
A9Craig wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 20:06 Regarding the A9 rebuilding in the 70s and 80s, I can’t recall seeing a list of all the schemes involved like what we often see on this thread (and is much appreciated).

So, I thought I’d create one showing the original scheme name along with start and end years. I’m not sure if all the scheme designations are correct, and there are some years missing, so any help appreciated (particularly from Duncan macknight).


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So it looks like the first one started in 1973 and the last one finished in 1986 meaning a 13 year rebuilding program. I guess if we take that as a baseline how long will it take for the current schemes?
Kincraig to Dalraddy started construction in 2015 so using your theory gives a final scheme completion date of 2028, which seems rather optimistic based on the current rate of progress!
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IAN wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 15:51
lotrjw wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 15:37
A9Craig wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 20:06 Regarding the A9 rebuilding in the 70s and 80s, I can’t recall seeing a list of all the schemes involved like what we often see on this thread (and is much appreciated).

So, I thought I’d create one showing the original scheme name along with start and end years. I’m not sure if all the scheme designations are correct, and there are some years missing, so any help appreciated (particularly from Duncan macknight).


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So it looks like the first one started in 1973 and the last one finished in 1986 meaning a 13 year rebuilding program. I guess if we take that as a baseline how long will it take for the current schemes?
Kincraig to Dalraddy started construction in 2015 so using your theory gives a final scheme completion date of 2028, which seems rather optimistic based on the current rate of progress!
Unfortunately yes! They could have done it as its been done before though but not now it seems.
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New legislation:
SSI 2021/260 - The A9 Trunk Road (Glen Garry to Dalwhinnie) (Trunking) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/260

SSI 2021/259 - The A889 Trunk Road (Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore) (Trunking) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/259

SSI 2021/258 - The A9 Trunk Road (Glen Garry to Dalwhinnie) (Side Roads) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/258

SSI 2021/257 - The A9 and A889 Trunk Roads (Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore) (Side Roads) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/257
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A9Craig wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 20:06 Regarding the A9 rebuilding in the 70s and 80s, I can’t recall seeing a list of all the schemes involved like what we often see on this thread (and is much appreciated).

So, I thought I’d create one showing the original scheme name along with start and end years. I’m not sure if all the scheme designations are correct, and there are some years missing, so any help appreciated (particularly from Duncan macknight).


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Nice list! I’m assuming the dates came from my additions to the Sabre Network Changes Page?
I’ve done much more research since putting them up, and have an exact opening date for much of the route. couple of things to note...

Luncarty to Birnam is an odd one as The Kessock Bridge opening booklet says May 1976 however it actually opened in May 1978.
75% of Calvine to the County Boundary opened 7th November 1978. The single carriageway sections were open but the split dual carriageway was built in 2 sections with the southbound carriageway opening first (Under contraflow). The Northbound carriageway was built along the original road and opened in November 1979
Granish to Avielochan opened, along with Avielochan to Slochd in June 1979
Bogbain to Longman opened November 1977.

The section across the Black Isle was also built along with the Perth-Inverness section and the dates are given below.

Longman Roundabout to North Kessock Junction (Kessock North & South approaches)- August 1975
Charleston to Tore - October 1981
Tore to Duncanston - August 1978
Duncanston to Arduille - July 1975
Cromarty Bridge - 12th April 1979

Also built along with the A9 Black Isle sections were 2 new stretches of A835 to link up the A9 with Dingwall, Maryburgh & eventually Ullapool.
A835 Tore to Maryburgh- 24th July 1981
A835 Maryburgh to Brahan - 7th November 1985

Hope that is Helpful! Any further discussions on the historical A9 upgrade might be better in a new topic. :D
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c2R wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:24 New legislation:
SSI 2021/260 - The A9 Trunk Road (Glen Garry to Dalwhinnie) (Trunking) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/260

SSI 2021/259 - The A889 Trunk Road (Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore) (Trunking) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/259

SSI 2021/258 - The A9 Trunk Road (Glen Garry to Dalwhinnie) (Side Roads) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/258

SSI 2021/257 - The A9 and A889 Trunk Roads (Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore) (Side Roads) Order 2021
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2021/257
Am i correct that this now lies on the table for 6 weeks ? Does the CPO follow on from this?
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B9127 wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:04 Am i correct that this now lies on the table for 6 weeks ? Does the CPO follow on from this?
Made Orders including the CPO will be published for both schemes on 30th July. The 6 weeks you refer to is the time limit after publication for any aggrieved parties to make an application to the Court of Session.
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Duncan macknight wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 17:19 Nice list! I’m assuming the dates came from my additions to the Sabre Network Changes Page?
I’ve done much more research since putting them up, and have an exact opening date for much of the route. couple of things to note...

Luncarty to Birnam is an odd one as The Kessock Bridge opening booklet says May 1976 however it actually opened in May 1978.
75% of Calvine to the County Boundary opened 7th November 1978. The single carriageway sections were open but the split dual carriageway was built in 2 sections with the southbound carriageway opening first (Under contraflow). The Northbound carriageway was built along the original road and opened in November 1979
Granish to Avielochan opened, along with Avielochan to Slochd in June 1979
Bogbain to Longman opened November 1977.

The section across the Black Isle was also built along with the Perth-Inverness section and the dates are given below.

Longman Roundabout to North Kessock Junction (Kessock North & South approaches)- August 1975
Charleston to Tore - October 1981
Tore to Duncanston - August 1978
Duncanston to Arduille - July 1975
Cromarty Bridge - 12th April 1979

Also built along with the A9 Black Isle sections were 2 new stretches of A835 to link up the A9 with Dingwall, Maryburgh & eventually Ullapool.
A835 Tore to Maryburgh- 24th July 1981
A835 Maryburgh to Brahan - 7th November 1985

Hope that is Helpful! Any further discussions on the historical A9 upgrade might be better in a new topic. :D
Thanks Duncan, that is most useful!

I got the dates and scheme names originally from Hansard, then discovered the Network Changes page on Sabre and also listened to the podcast you did with the Glasgow Motorway Archive (very enjoyable btw).

As far back as 21st December 1972 the then Secretary of State for Scotland, Gordon Campbell, stated "The design of the new road will be such as to permit the provision of dual carriageway later as required". The current dualling programme is a continuation of the work done in the 70s and 80s, so I'd say it's okay to discuss the historical schemes here :D

I'm curious as to why Granish to Avielochan completed as a standalone scheme in 1978, but obviously couldn't open to traffic until the following year when Avielochan to Slochd opened? I wonder why it wasn't simply Granish to Slochd?
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A9Craig wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 14:12
Thanks Duncan, that is most useful!

I got the dates and scheme names originally from Hansard, then discovered the Network Changes page on Sabre and also listened to the podcast you did with the Glasgow Motorway Archive (very enjoyable btw).

As far back as 21st December 1972 the then Secretary of State for Scotland, Gordon Campbell, stated "The design of the new road will be such as to permit the provision of dual carriageway later as required". The current dualling programme is a continuation of the work done in the 70s and 80s, so I'd say it's okay to discuss the historical schemes here :D

I'm curious as to why Granish to Avielochan completed as a standalone scheme in 1978, but obviously couldn't open to traffic until the following year when Avielochan to Slochd opened? I wonder why it wasn't simply Granish to Slochd?
Glad you enjoyed the Podcast, was good to get all this info out there!

I had wondered similar myself but a chat wth some of the original designers came up with the answers!

Granish to Avielochan was a small scheme to link Aviemore Bypass (August 1980) with the Avielochan to Slochd (June 1979) Scheme.
Specifically the Avielochan changeover was just here. If you look closely you can see the tarmac join of the 2 schemes!!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.23036 ... 6656?hl=en

It was easier and financially a better option to build a small section of road joining Avielochan to Slochd Scheme to a suitable tie in with the old road, which then became the A95 Junction. This probably wouldn't have been needed but the A9 from Granish all the way to Kingussie was subject to a Public enquiry, which affected the Kingussie - Aviemore section most of all. If the schemes had no objections, then there would not have been this anomaly and delay in the construction programme.
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Duncan macknight wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 17:19
A9Craig wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 20:06 Regarding the A9 rebuilding in the 70s and 80s, I can’t recall seeing a list of all the schemes involved like what we often see on this thread (and is much appreciated).

So, I thought I’d create one showing the original scheme name along with start and end years. I’m not sure if all the scheme designations are correct, and there are some years missing, so any help appreciated (particularly from Duncan macknight).


A9.png
Nice list! I’m assuming the dates came from my additions to the Sabre Network Changes Page?
I’ve done much more research since putting them up, and have an exact opening date for much of the route. couple of things to note...

Luncarty to Birnam is an odd one as The Kessock Bridge opening booklet says May 1976 however it actually opened in May 1978.
75% of Calvine to the County Boundary opened 7th November 1978. The single carriageway sections were open but the split dual carriageway was built in 2 sections with the southbound carriageway opening first (Under contraflow). The Northbound carriageway was built along the original road and opened in November 1979
Granish to Avielochan opened, along with Avielochan to Slochd in June 1979
Bogbain to Longman opened November 1977.

The section across the Black Isle was also built along with the Perth-Inverness section and the dates are given below.

Longman Roundabout to North Kessock Junction (Kessock North & South approaches)- August 1975
Charleston to Tore - October 1981
Tore to Duncanston - August 1978
Duncanston to Arduille - July 1975
Cromarty Bridge - 12th April 1979

Also built along with the A9 Black Isle sections were 2 new stretches of A835 to link up the A9 with Dingwall, Maryburgh & eventually Ullapool.
A835 Tore to Maryburgh- 24th July 1981
A835 Maryburgh to Brahan - 7th November 1985

Hope that is Helpful! Any further discussions on the historical A9 upgrade might be better in a new topic. :D
Thanks Duncan very much for this useful and interesting information.

I think that the A835 from Tore to Maryburgh was classified as the A834 for about four and a half years from 1981 to 1985, when the Tore-Ullapool road passed through Dingwall. The minor road from the A832 at Moy Bridge to Maryburgh (before the new road opened in 1985) is shown on some maps as a non-primary section of the A835 from as early as 1977/1978, which seems odd, but perhaps this road was used to access Tore before 1985, in order to avoid Strathpeffer and Dingwall? In my recollection is was a fairly narrow road.

It is also slightly odd that the design standard of the A9 from Tore to the Cromarty Bridge and the A834 (later A835) to Maryburgh was slightly lower than the A9 to the south of Inverness. Although built to a high standard, the carriageway is noticeably less wide.
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