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I think the concern is that it wouldn't go to a vote, with the Greens insisting that the A9 and A96 schemes are scrapped in exchange for a guarantee of a clear pro-independence majority which would last the full parliamentary term. Only time will tell, it is also possible that there are areas which the two parties will agree to disagree on.
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https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/nex ... -underway/

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A9Dan wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:29 I think the concern is that it wouldn't go to a vote, with the Greens insisting that the A9 and A96 schemes are scrapped in exchange for a guarantee of a clear pro-independence majority which would last the full parliamentary term. Only time will tell, it is also possible that there are areas which the two parties will agree to disagree on.
If A9 dualling/improvement is cancelled due to the two parties signing a deal, they'll both be blamed, and the Tories, Lib Dems and Labour (the last probably least of these) will be writing their leaflets the day after the deal is done.
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The Greens are Urban friendly and look to the rural areas as as if they are a national park - anything outside the Glasgow/Edinburgh corridor is of no interest to them - they were/are trying to push for non fossil fuel heating by 2028 - I use oil in a rural area so where do I get heating from after that - I digress sorry
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https://www.gov.scot/publications/scott ... programme/

The draft agreement has now been published but it is completely silent on the future of the A9 schemes whereas the A96 dualling is to be subject to a review including a climate compatibility assessment. The dualling between Inverness and Nairn though will be taken forward as will bypasses for Nairn, Keith, Elgin and Inverurie although except for Nairn, it is not clear if these would be dualled.
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A9Dan wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 15:17 https://www.gov.scot/publications/scott ... programme/

The draft agreement has now been published but it is completely silent on the future of the A9 schemes whereas the A96 dualling is to be subject to a review including a climate compatibility assessment. The dualling between Inverness and Nairn though will be taken forward as will bypasses for Nairn, Keith, Elgin and Inverurie although except for Nairn, it is not clear if these would be dualled.
The "silence" might be a concession from the Greens to allow the A9 be fully dualled and as a compromise the SNP will have this review for the A96. Cynically, it might be an easy way for the SNP to squirm out of dualling the A96 in it's entirety, but still get kudos for dualling the A9? I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens if the SNP/SGP "cooperation" is approved by the relevant party executives/members what will happen.
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I'm not quire sure where the £5 billion investment agreed for the rail network is going to come from though.
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green light wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 16:15 The "silence" might be a concession from the Greens to allow the A9 be fully dualled and as a compromise the SNP will have this review for the A96. Cynically, it might be an easy way for the SNP to squirm out of dualling the A96 in it's entirety, but still get kudos for dualling the A9? I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens if the SNP/SGP "cooperation" is approved by the relevant party executives/members what will happen.
That is quite possible but I am thinking about where the £5 billion investment for the rail network agreed in this deal is going to come from.
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A9Dan wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 15:17 https://www.gov.scot/publications/scott ... programme/

The draft agreement has now been published but it is completely silent on the future of the A9 schemes whereas the A96 dualling is to be subject to a review including a climate compatibility assessment. The dualling between Inverness and Nairn though will be taken forward as will bypasses for Nairn, Keith, Elgin and Inverurie although except for Nairn, it is not clear if these would be dualled.
I noted this in the agreement:
work on other trunk roads projects and programmes under construction, design, development or procurement will continue and be subject to the normal statutory assessment and business case processes.
So A9 dualling is definitely continuing.
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A9Dan wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 18:34
green light wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 16:15 The "silence" might be a concession from the Greens to allow the A9 be fully dualled and as a compromise the SNP will have this review for the A96. Cynically, it might be an easy way for the SNP to squirm out of dualling the A96 in it's entirety, but still get kudos for dualling the A9? I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens if the SNP/SGP "cooperation" is approved by the relevant party executives/members what will happen.
That is quite possible but I am thinking about where the £5 billion investment for the rail network agreed in this deal is going to come from.
That’s not actually a new announcement. Network Rail already planned to spend £4 billion on ‘renewals’ ie, replacing life expired track, signalling, bridges etc with around £1 billion earmarked for ‘enhancements’ such as electrification, new stations and reopening the Levenmouth branch.
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You could say the SNP have done a decent job of ringfencing the realistic A9/A96 schemes while throwing the Greens the bone of reviewing A96 schemes that weren't going to be built for the next decade or two anyway...
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jackal wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 09:28 You could say the SNP have done a decent job of ringfencing the realistic A9/A96 schemes while throwing the Greens the bone of reviewing A96 schemes that weren't going to be built for the next decade or two anyway...
Yes I think that’s a fair assessment. Overall the Greens didn’t achieve much in terms of infrastructure investment as the extra funding for sustainable transport was happening anyway.
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Saw a sign at the start of Luncarty to Birnam today saying restrictions in place until 30th August. Looks like road fully open on Monday. Certainly looks finished.
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Article about the opening of the Luncarty to Birnam section.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport ... go-3359118
A new six-mile section of dual carriageway south of Dunkeld will open this weekend, transport minister Graeme Dey announced today.

The move comes as a review continues into the rest of the £3 billion project to complete some 70 remaining miles of dualling of the road between Inverness and Perth.

It is understood to have escaped the axe under last week’s SNP-Scottish Greens’ deal, but ministers have repeatedly failed to confirm the project is still on track to be finished on time by 2025, suggesting completion will be delayed.
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https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport ... go-3359118
but ministers have repeatedly failed to confirm the project is still on track to be finished on time by 2025, suggesting completion will be delayed.
As predicted many times on here, as soon as the Scottish Parliament election was over ministers finally admit what has been obvious for years. I wonder if they'll risk setting another firm date - 2030 perhaps?
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I noticed before that the first couple of advance junction signs southbound have “Peairt” (the Gaelic for “Perth”) and Perth itself in white script rather than the usual mustard/yellow that is used usually for the Gaelic. The further south signs have the Gaelic in mustard.

I also noticed for the first time this evening distance markers to Stirling, Dundee and Edinburgh in Gaelic as well as English (Struighlea, Dùn Dè, Dùn Èideann ) I don’t think I’ve seen any of these cities in Gaelic road signs before.
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As said previously in this thread, 2025 as a target was always a theoretical best case if all projects could go through the design and legal process without delay, such as PLIs (and co-creatives).
It's impossible to give a completion date for all schemes, unless they are going to push through orders without due legal process.
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FtoE wrote:I noticed before that the first couple of advance junction signs southbound have “Peairt” (the Gaelic for “Perth”) and Perth itself in white script rather than the usual mustard/yellow that is used usually for the Gaelic. The further south signs have the Gaelic in mustard.

I also noticed for the first time this evening distance markers to Stirling, Dundee and Edinburgh in Gaelic as well as English (Struighlea, Dùn Dè, Dùn Èideann ) I don’t think I’ve seen any of these cities in Gaelic road signs before.
Stirling appears in Gaelic in a few places already.
Dundee and edinburgh don't.

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I’m not sure if it is still there following the opening of the Crianlarich bypass, but I have seen a sign for the A85 in Crianlarich referring to Perth and Stirling in Gaelic (not Dundee though). It seems to be where the sign is located that determines the use of Gaelic rather than where it is pointing towards. In the opposite case the A9 corridor doesn’t have much if any Gaelic signage but no doubt there will be some places signposted in English only which are firmly within the bilingual areas out to the west.
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Euan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 09:54 I’m not sure if it is still there following the opening of the Crianlarich bypass
Yes, the new signs are all bilingual, including references to Stirling and Perth.
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