A9 dualling

A9NWIL · Post by **A9NWIL** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 23:38

IAN wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 20:13 It's rather like renumbering motorway junctions, it may be important to some of the Sabristi but it's hardly a priority or worthy of great expenditure. What does it matter if there are gaps in numbering,as long as all the numbers are different - presumably the laybys are numbered in order for drivers to give information re their location in the case of breakdown or accident.

Ian (M5 Driver)

In that case renumbering to follow the driver location signs and marker posts on motorways would seem logical. That way if something changes you just change that section and everything just matches up perfectly still.

B9127 · Post by **B9127** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 17:09

https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/36- ... -dualling/ Another small way along a long road

Euan · Post by **Euan** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 22:37

It's a big job - there are 23 miles of S2 between Glen Garry and Crubenmore, including the Drumochter Pass. They will be doing the ground investigations throughout much of the winter on what is the most infamous stretch along the whole road.

Altnabreac · Post by **Altnabreac** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19

Drove south on the A9 yesterday from Tore to Keir and there was a lot of ground investigation work going on, especially on the Moy and Slochd sections. Work does seem to be ramping up now.

Luncarty - Birnam also looking ready for the main contract to start with a lot of clearance work complete.

rileyrob · Post by **rileyrob** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:28

Altnabreac wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19 Luncarty - Birnam also looking ready for the main contract to start with a lot of clearance work complete.

Yes, I drove this on Saturday afternoon and there are lots of felled trees and there also seemed to be fences going in and/or differences in the crops/vegetation in the fields indicating where the second carriageway is going to be added. Admittedly, this suggested that the current land take is barely more than the finished width, and there was a lot of overspill on the Kincraig section during construction.
There were also a lot of 'alcoves' cut into embankments, sort of like minature refuges on hard shoulder conversions. They had been left as bare earth cliffs, and were hardly access points, so I'm not sure what the point of them was.

Euan · Post by **Euan** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:59

Altnabreac wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19 Drove south on the A9 yesterday from Tore to Keir and there was a lot of ground investigation work going on, especially on the Moy and Slochd sections. Work does seem to be ramping up now.

There might come a period of time during which several different schemes will be under construction simultaneously, given the level of ground investigation that is currently taking place. If I am correct not all ground investigation contracts have yet been awarded (Killiecrankie rings a bell), so some sections of the road will remain quiet for a while yet.

Bertiebus · Post by **Bertiebus** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:21

Altnabreac wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19 Drove south on the A9 yesterday from Tore to Keir and there was a lot of ground investigation work going on, especially on the Moy and Slochd sections. Work does seem to be ramping up now.

Luncarty - Birnam also looking ready for the main contract to start with a lot of clearance work complete.

I think Salmond's statue has been put on hold for the moment, which may free up some funds to accelerate things

A9NWIL · Post by **A9NWIL** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 18:12

Euan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:59
Altnabreac wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19 Drove south on the A9 yesterday from Tore to Keir and there was a lot of ground investigation work going on, especially on the Moy and Slochd sections. Work does seem to be ramping up now.
There might come a period of time during which several different schemes will be under construction simultaneously, given the level of ground investigation that is currently taking place. If I am correct not all ground investigation contracts have yet been awarded (Killiecrankie rings a bell), so some sections of the road will remain quiet for a while yet.

It sounds as if everything except the two parts with major contention, Killiecrankie and Dunkeld are gong through easily then?

Duncan macknight · Post by **Duncan macknight** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 21:21

Looks good to see progress. On a slightly differently topic, the Tay Bridge seems to be having expansion joint issues with rather long tailbacks through the works there. Luckily I went via Dunkeld and missed it all

Also a new Gaelic sign has been erected before the Granish Junction heading southbound for no reason atall...

Altnabreac · Post by **Altnabreac** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 08:45

lotrjw wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 18:12
Euan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:59
Altnabreac wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19 Drove south on the A9 yesterday from Tore to Keir and there was a lot of ground investigation work going on, especially on the Moy and Slochd sections. Work does seem to be ramping up now.
There might come a period of time during which several different schemes will be under construction simultaneously, given the level of ground investigation that is currently taking place. If I am correct not all ground investigation contracts have yet been awarded (Killiecrankie rings a bell), so some sections of the road will remain quiet for a while yet.
It sounds as if everything except the two parts with major contention, Killiecrankie and Dunkeld are gong through easily then?

Killiecrankie is generating a lot of heat in the local paper but I don't get the feeling there is a big depth of public feeling behind it in the same way as Dunkeld. The archaeological work there has been thorough and I suspect it will get a HES sign off and Reporters will recommend approval. Apart from anything else there isn't any obvious alternative.

Dunkeld is I suspect going to be the last section built and may well be a long struggle to resolve sensibly.

A9NWIL · Post by **A9NWIL** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 20:23

Altnabreac wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 08:45
lotrjw wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 18:12
Euan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:59

There might come a period of time during which several different schemes will be under construction simultaneously, given the level of ground investigation that is currently taking place. If I am correct not all ground investigation contracts have yet been awarded (Killiecrankie rings a bell), so some sections of the road will remain quiet for a while yet.
It sounds as if everything except the two parts with major contention, Killiecrankie and Dunkeld are gong through easily then?
Killiecrankie is generating a lot of heat in the local paper but I don't get the feeling there is a big depth of public feeling behind it in the same way as Dunkeld. The archaeological work there has been thorough and I suspect it will get a HES sign off and Reporters will recommend approval. Apart from anything else there isn't any obvious alternative.

Dunkeld is I suspect going to be the last section built and may well be a long struggle to resolve sensibly.

Ah seeing as Killiecrankie looks like it will be fine now, they should definitely get all the other projects on the go and leave Dunkeld for now. Maybe they can push through a fully GSJed route then? Perhaps they should even build the bits of the Dunkeld project either side of Dunkeld itself and leave that small section as it is?
Then when the rest is done and Dunkeld is a right bottleneck perhaps the residents of Dunkeld will accept anything to finish the job off? Which would only be about 3km of road.

A9Dan · Post by **A9Dan** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:21

Euan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:59 There might come a period of time during which several different schemes will be under construction simultaneously, given the level of ground investigation that is currently taking place. If I am correct not all ground investigation contracts have yet been awarded (Killiecrankie rings a bell), so some sections of the road will remain quiet for a while yet.

https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/26- ... -dualling/

Pitlochry to Killiekrankie and Killiekrankie to Glen Garry have now been awarded to Soil Engineering Geoservices Ltd (13 December). These are the last two contracts in the current series of ground investigations.

Altnabreac · Post by **Altnabreac** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 15:29

A9Dan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:21
Euan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:59 There might come a period of time during which several different schemes will be under construction simultaneously, given the level of ground investigation that is currently taking place. If I am correct not all ground investigation contracts have yet been awarded (Killiecrankie rings a bell), so some sections of the road will remain quiet for a while yet.
https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/26- ... -dualling/

Pitlochry to Killiekrankie and Killiekrankie to Glen Garry have now been awarded to Soil Engineering Geoservices Ltd (13 December). These are the last two contracts in the current series of ground investigations.

A9Craig · Post by **A9Craig** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 18:41

There's a sign now at Luncarty stating a completion date of Spring 2021. This is at odds with the original estimate of 22 months for construction which would mean completion in November 2020. Clear case of "under promise and over deliver" here, probably because of the flak they took about the completion date for Kincraig - Dalraddy.

Euan · Post by **Euan** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 23:30

Altnabreac wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 15:29 Pass of Birnam to Tay Crossing by contrast doesn't seem to have been looked at since the very early contract in August 2015:
https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/inf ... programme/

The Pass of Birnam - Tay Crossing section does seem to have garnered more than its fair share of complaints and objections, so it might be best to wait until there is absolutely 100% confidence that the proposed route will actually go ahead before carrying out any further ground investigation work.

Nwallace · Post by **Nwallace** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 00:44

Euan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 23:30
Altnabreac wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 15:29 Pass of Birnam to Tay Crossing by contrast doesn't seem to have been looked at since the very early contract in August 2015:
https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/inf ... programme/
The Pass of Birnam - Tay Crossing section does seem to have garnered more than its fair share of complaints and objections, so it might be best to wait until there is absolutely 100% confidence that the proposed route will actually go ahead before carrying out any further ground investigation work.

Um... that's also known as "The Dunkeld Problem", are you thinking of the amount of CPO objections to the Tay Crossing to Ballinluig section?
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/lo ... operation/

Why does Arthur Dent lying down in front of a Bulldozer while being told he could have seen the proposals for the bypass at his local library for the past few months...
http://www.parliament.scot/S5_Local_Gov ... ommGrp.pdf

I'm sure there was a breakdown list of the objectors, a fair number of them being SSE or Network Rail and in some cases factors (in some cases that was SSE) acting for unnamed landowners who were told they had no right to object and the land owner needed to make themselves known.

A9Dan · Post by **A9Dan** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 13:46

A letter has been posted on the DPEA website showing that the Public Local Inquiry for Pitlochry to Killiecrankie will take place over four days in March 2019.

Altnabreac · Post by **Altnabreac** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 15:50

A9Dan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 13:46 A letter has been posted on the DPEA website showing that the Public Local Inquiry for Pitlochry to Killiecrankie will take place over four days in March 2019.

Only 2 objectors looking to speak at the hearings so shouldn't be a hugely long PLI process and hopefully the write up will follow fairly quickly after that.

Berk · Post by **Berk** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 16:27

Assuming that situation is the case, how long do reporters take to publish their report??

Duncan macknight · Post by **Duncan macknight** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 23:44

Nice new expansion joint on the southern end of the Tay crossing.

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