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Just noticed on Google Earth that the Luncarty to Pass of Birnam at Street View level is now showing the roadworks with imagery date of 4/2019 - wonder how often they will rerun it
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The report for Pitlochry to Killiecrankie has now been issued to Scottish Ministers.
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B9127 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 20:33 Just noticed on Google Earth that the Luncarty to Pass of Birnam at Street View level is now showing the roadworks with imagery date of 4/2019 - wonder how often they will rerun it
Where there are seperate carriageways it's 4/2019 northbound, but 8/2018 southbound. You can see the progress!
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A9Craig wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 17:14 The chart I posted above on August 17th lists the schemes south to north (I combined Glen Garry to Dalwhinnie and Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore as they are likely to merge into one).

I'd agree these schemes, along with Pitlochry to Killiecrankie, will probably be the next ones to start construction.

Two other schemes could be merged, Pass of Birnam to Tay Crossing and Tay Crossing to Ballinluig. Given the issues around Dunkeld I think this is unlikely. TS did envisage this as one project at one time though.

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According to the chart there will not be any more sections under construction before at least mid 2020 ?
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B9127 wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 17:02 According to the chart there will not be any more sections under construction before at least mid 2020 ?
I think even mid 2020 is a bit optimistic if you consider that no scheme has reached Made Orders yet and that procurement will likely take at least a year. I expect they are holding back on Made Orders for Glen Garry to Dalwhinne so that it can be procured with Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore, the latter is still waiting for the issue of the report to Scottish Ministers which is taking quite some time considering there is a single objection (non-statutory).
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A9Dan wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:32
B9127 wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 17:02 According to the chart there will not be any more sections under construction before at least mid 2020 ?
I think even mid 2020 is a bit optimistic if you consider that no scheme has reached Made Orders yet and that procurement will likely take at least a year. I expect they are holding back on Made Orders for Glen Garry to Dalwhinne so that it can be procured with Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore, the latter is still waiting for the issue of the report to Scottish Ministers which is taking quite some time considering there is a single objection (non-statutory).
DPEA reporters are not exactly rushing to issue reports on these sections but I suppose they're at least progressing a bit faster than A96 - Inverness - Nairn where the hearing sessions finished last December and the report still hasn't been issued to ministers yet. That did have a lot of objectors though. Shows the sort of timescales we might see at DPEA in some of the more contentious sections though.
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They are quite fortunate they have an unlimited time frame to work with both at reporter level and Ministerial level - the directors of the company I worked for would ask for a report on a subject in the morning and expect by mid afternoon!
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B9127 wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 08:28 They are quite fortunate they have an unlimited time frame to work with both at reporter level and Ministerial level - the directors of the company I worked for would ask for a report on a subject in the morning and expect by mid afternoon!
A rushed consideration of course is more liable to end up in the courts which will then take even longer - See Aberdeen Bypass ad nauseum.

So I'm not sure throwing together a fast but inadequate report would be any better...
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The pre-inquiry meeting for Kiliecrankie to Glen Garry will be broadcast online tomorrow from 11:30 AM at https://dpea.public-i.tv/core/portal/we ... ive/444487

I was going to say this is the most controversial section, but I think that will be Pass of Birnam to Tay Crossing.
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It seems that the meeting was not broadcast live but was recorded and will be made available later on the DPEA website.
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The report from the Killiecrankie to Glen Garry pre-inqury meeting has not yet been published the inquiry sessions will take place over 2 weeks from 13 January 2020. Also Historic Environment Scotland have withdrawn their objection to the scheme.
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The report from the pre-enquiry meeting has now been published, confirming that there are 167 outstanding objections to the scheme of which 17 are statutory.
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For those of us who aren’t clued up on this whats the difference between an objection and a statutory objection?
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certain bodies are legally required to be notified of schemes such as this, ranging from utility companies to organisations such as Historic Scotland to people living adjacent. As such their objections carry more weight than a random member of the public from further afield. There are statutes listing who must be consulted
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Thanks.
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A9Dan wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 18:13 The report from the pre-enquiry meeting has now been published, confirming that there are 167 outstanding objections to the scheme of which 17 are statutory.
Are these all for the one section?
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lotrjw wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:31 Are these all for the one section?
Yes, Killiecrankie to Glen Garry.
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A9Dan wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:39
lotrjw wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:31 Are these all for the one section?
Yes, Killiecrankie to Glen Garry.
WOW! thats a lot, can they all be satisfied? If not this section would end up being left and become a bottleneck!
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Report for Tomatin to Moy has been issued to Scottish Ministers, I was quite surprised by how quickly this was done (less than a month after the modiied CPO was submitted) considering that the modified CPO for Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore scheme was submitted at the end of May and the report still has not been issued despite only having a single non-statutory objection.

Update on the status of each scheme:

Luncarty to Pass of Birnam: Under construction (started in February 2019).

Pass of Birnam to Tay Crossing: Awaiting preferred route announcement following consultation on options developed since the co-creative process.

Tay Crossing to Ballinluig: Inquiry/hearing sessions scheduled for week beginning 4 November.

Pitlochry to Killiecrankie: Report issued to Scottish Ministers on 11 September 2019.

Killiecrankie to Glen Garry: Inquiry sessions to be held over 2 weeks starting 13 January 2020.

Glen Garry to Dalwhinnie: Decision issued confirming orders on 31 May 2019, the scheme now awaits Made Orders.

Dalwhinnie to Crubenmore: Awaiting issue of report to Scottish Ministers following cancellation of inquiry session (last updated May 2019).

Crubenmore to Kincraig: Not yet with DPEA.

Kincraig to Dalraddy: Completed (September 2017).

Dalraddy to Schlod: With DPEA, awaiting issue of relevant notices.

Tomatin to Moy: Report issued to Scottish Ministers on 2 October 2019.
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Does that mean that once the Made Orders and Compulsary Purchase Orders are done that 4 sections are ready to go to tender - and that seems to take about 2 years to contract awarded -s o no further construction before early 2022 ??
Motorways travelled 2019 - M90 - M9 - M80 - M8 -M77 - M73 -A74(M) -M6-M42-M40 -A404(M) - M4 - M5 -M50 -M56 much better so far than last year
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