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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Al__S » Wed Apr 07, 2021 20:19

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The link to the article would probably have helped, wouldn't it!

https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/local- ... ed-7860900
See, for this I'd have proposed a far more radical scheme for Godmanchester/Huntingdon, which would have cost vastly more

The core of my scheme would have been to lower the road. The bridge over the Ouse only requires the same clearance over the river as the old bridge. I'd have a flat junction (signalised) with the B1044 The Avenue, and close the old bridge to all motor traffic. I'd also have flat junctions at Cambridge Road (B1044) and the A1198, taking out of use the loop of Cambridge Road where it passes under the current A1307 to meet the A1198 junction on the north side.

I'd suggest further changes to the road system, potentially returning the Ring Road to two way traffic.

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by c2R » Wed Apr 07, 2021 20:57

I can't find my old drawing now, but essentially you can achieve a similar result for a fraction of a cost, by building a road up to the existing level of the dual carriageway and adding a signalised junction, perhaps using the site of the old boatyard.

I agree that some changes are needed to the one way system inside the town as well.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Sunil_of_Yoxley » Sat Apr 24, 2021 23:14

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A large number of reserve gaps remain on the 10 mile section between Ellington and Thrapston - the only gaps between Felixstowe and Glasgow. The local MP, Shailesh Vara, "is calling for short-term safety measures at the junctions pending a permanent solution."

https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/meetin ... ns-7873558

A permanent solution would presumably involve a mixture of GSJs and access roads. It's not mentioned in RIS2 so I wouldn't hold my breath.
The only gaps between South Woodford and Glasgow I think you mean :D
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by IAN » Sun Apr 25, 2021 18:01

Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 23:14
jackal wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 09:36
A large number of reserve gaps remain on the 10 mile section between Ellington and Thrapston - the only gaps between Felixstowe and Glasgow. The local MP, Shailesh Vara, "is calling for short-term safety measures at the junctions pending a permanent solution."

https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/meetin ... ns-7873558

A permanent solution would presumably involve a mixture of GSJs and access roads. It's not mentioned in RIS2 so I wouldn't hold my breath.
The only gaps between South Woodford and Glasgow I think you mean :D
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Sunil_of_Yoxley » Tue Apr 27, 2021 00:49

IAN wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 18:01
Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 23:14
jackal wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 09:36
A large number of reserve gaps remain on the 10 mile section between Ellington and Thrapston - the only gaps between Felixstowe and Glasgow. The local MP, Shailesh Vara, "is calling for short-term safety measures at the junctions pending a permanent solution."

https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/meetin ... ns-7873558

A permanent solution would presumably involve a mixture of GSJs and access roads. It's not mentioned in RIS2 so I wouldn't hold my breath.
The only gaps between South Woodford and Glasgow I think you mean :D
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I will be honest and say I had my interest in roads re-kindled after looking at the new Catthorpe Junction in Google last week, and thinking:

Mind. Blown.

They went ahead and made a direct end-on connection between the M6 and A14, which in turn leads seemlessly via the new Huntingdon to Girton section to the M11!

According to my calculations (which are sometimes correct!), that's 432 miles of continuous central reservation (I know, apart from the gaps between Ellington and Thrapston, and the M6 Toll, er, tolls) via M11, A14, M6, M6 Toll, M6, A74(M) and M74.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by EpicChef » Tue Apr 27, 2021 07:55

Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 00:49
IAN wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 18:01
Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 23:14


The only gaps between South Woodford and Glasgow I think you mean :D
Welcome back after 4 1/2 years!
Thanks Ian, good to be back!

I will be honest and say I had my interest in roads re-kindled after looking at the new Catthorpe Junction in Google last week, and thinking:

Mind. Blown.

They went ahead and made a direct end-on connection between the M6 and A14, which in turn leads seemlessly via the new Huntingdon to Girton section to the M11!

According to my calculations (which are sometimes correct!), that's 432 miles of continuous central reservation (I know, apart from the gaps between Ellington and Thrapston, and the M6 Toll, er, tolls) via M11, A14, M6, M6 Toll, M6, A74(M) and M74.
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Great to see this! The next step, though, is to tell us how much of it is Armco, how much concrete, and how much wire!! :P
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Sunil_of_Yoxley » Tue Apr 27, 2021 14:29

EpicChef wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 07:55
Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 00:49
IAN wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 18:01


Welcome back after 4 1/2 years!
Thanks Ian, good to be back!

I will be honest and say I had my interest in roads re-kindled after looking at the new Catthorpe Junction in Google last week, and thinking:

Mind. Blown.

They went ahead and made a direct end-on connection between the M6 and A14, which in turn leads seemlessly via the new Huntingdon to Girton section to the M11!

According to my calculations (which are sometimes correct!), that's 432 miles of continuous central reservation (I know, apart from the gaps between Ellington and Thrapston, and the M6 Toll, er, tolls) via M11, A14, M6, M6 Toll, M6, A74(M) and M74.
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Great to see this! The next step, though, is to tell us how much of it is Armco, how much concrete, and how much wire!! :P
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True, but I don't think even the strip maps on Roads.org.uk go into that much detail :lol:
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Truvelo » Sat May 22, 2021 22:59

Until now I had always assumed the original proposals for an M1 to A1 link was along the A45 corridor via Northampton, Wellingborough, Kimbolton, St Neots and Madingley which would then have flowed directly onto the Cambridge Northern Bypass without any TOTSOs. This would have avoided the need to do anything to the Cambridge-Huntingdon section as this would still be carrying just north-south traffic.

However, this letter from the early 70's has now come to light which shows this doesn't appear to have been the case and the intention was to go to Huntingdon as the A14 from the M1 does now. The letter even says it may not be a suitable terminal point, possibly in reference to Cambridge-Huntingdon being overloaded or the TOTSO at Girton. Further down the letter states the section from Girton to Godmanchester would be D3. Amazing then how it was built as D2 even though fifty years ago the potential for this to be carrying north-south and east-west traffic was recognised. Also indefensible is the layout at Girton which anyone working on it in the late 70's would have known the bulk of east-west traffic would be using one of the loops once the link to Catthorpe opened. This would have saved £1.5bn had things been done properly forty years earlier.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by roadtester » Sat May 22, 2021 23:15

Truvelo wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 22:59
Until now I had always assumed the original proposals for an M1 to A1 link was along the A45 corridor via Northampton, Wellingborough, Kimbolton, St Neots and Madingley which would then have flowed directly onto the Cambridge Northern Bypass without any TOTSOs. This would have avoided the need to do anything to the Cambridge-Huntingdon section as this would still be carrying just north-south traffic.

However, this letter from the early 70's has now come to light which shows this doesn't appear to have been the case and the intention was to go to Huntingdon as the A14 from the M1 does now. The letter even says it may not be a suitable terminal point, possibly in reference to Cambridge-Huntingdon being overloaded or the TOTSO at Girton. Further down the letter states the section from Girton to Godmanchester would be D3. Amazing then how it was built as D2 even though fifty years ago the potential for this to be carrying north-south and east-west traffic was recognised. Also indefensible is the layout at Girton which anyone working on it in the late 70's would have known the bulk of east-west traffic would be using one of the loops once the link to Catthorpe opened. This would have saved £1.5bn had things been done properly forty years earlier.
Interesting - staggered that they seem to have always intended the TOTSO.

Interesting too that the Cambridge and Newmarket bypasses were being planned with motorway upgrades in mind but not the other elements.

I've always tended to think that the section east of Cambridge is reasonably fit for purpose but these days, it is increasingly overloaded, with elephant racing causing considerable frustration and delay.

I suspect one day a proper D3 bypass on a new alignment may need to be considered for Bury St Edmunds, where the road is slow and really hemmed in by development of both sides. That'll cost a bit too.

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by EpicChef » Sat May 22, 2021 23:24

roadtester wrote:
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What's D2L (if my eyesight isn't deceiving me) by the way?
Maybe just "Dual 2 Lane"?
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by roadtester » Sat May 22, 2021 23:49

EpicChef wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 23:24
roadtester wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 23:15
What's D2L (if my eyesight isn't deceiving me) by the way?
Maybe just "Dual 2 Lane"?
Now you mention it, that does seem the likeliest option!
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