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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by medgoode » Fri Dec 11, 2020 13:14

The new station access at Huntingdon is open:
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by A303Chris » Fri Dec 11, 2020 15:28

medgoode wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 13:14
The new station access at Huntingdon is open:

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Question is why have they announced this on the A428 Black Cat to Caxton Gibbet twitter feed and not the scheme page?
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Nathan_A_RF » Fri Dec 11, 2020 16:58

That twitter account is the renamed A14C2H account, so A14 news still appears on it.

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by medgoode » Sun Jan 17, 2021 18:12

So I see that the A10 will be closed between A14 J33 and Butt Lane, Milton tomorrow and on Tuesday. This suggests we might get some progress on the A14 EB to A10 NB sliproad (that avoids having to stop at the roundabout).

Side question: what is the formal name for that bit of link road?

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by crb11 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 23:17

medgoode wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 18:12
Side question: what is the formal name for that bit of link road?
Milton Bypass. (According to the County Council map.)
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by roadtester » Sun Jan 17, 2021 23:31

medgoode wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 18:12
So I see that the A10 will be closed between A14 J33 and Butt Lane, Milton tomorrow and on Tuesday. This suggests we might get some progress on the A14 EB to A10 NB sliproad (that avoids having to stop at the roundabout).
I hope so - that's looked almost finished for months.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by jervi » Sun Jan 17, 2021 23:49

Not sure if this had been mentioned before, but Google Street View has done an update on the A14.
Seems to of disregarded the law.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.33034 ... 384!8i8192 - also another law breaker at the roundabout, from another set of images.

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by roadtester » Mon Jan 18, 2021 00:21

jervi wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 23:49
Not sure if this had been mentioned before, but Google Street View has done an update on the A14.
Seems to of disregarded the law.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.33034 ... 384!8i8192 - also another law breaker at the roundabout, from another set of images.
Now I'm more familiar with the new road, I'm a bit puzzled that slip wasn't designed/built/opened for general use so that eastbound A14 traffic could access Brampton Hut services more easily. Currently, the services are signed from the A14 eastbound but from miles back and via the A1.

Seems unnecessarily complicated to me.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by jervi » Mon Jan 18, 2021 02:13

roadtester wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 00:21
Now I'm more familiar with the new road, I'm a bit puzzled that slip wasn't designed/built/opened for general use so that eastbound A14 traffic could access Brampton Hut services more easily. Currently, the services are signed from the A14 eastbound but from miles back and via the A1.

Seems unnecessarily complicated to me.
I'd expect those slip roads to not be open due to more risk with them open. By forcing people to use the A1 you are:
1. Removing a diverge off the A14
2. Removing an entry arm onto the southern dumbell roundabout
3. Reducing traffic on the Northern dumbell roundabout
4. Removing traffic on the entire of the Brampton Hut Roundabout Interchange (since it is the last exit instead of the first)
The A1 route to services only requires a diverge off the A1 and a lane drop (no lane change) off the A14. Plus it is slightly shorter and under normal conditions, quicker.
Going Eastbound there are less risks, although for consitancy it is better to have it reflect the access Westbound.
The only people who are really disadvantaged by the slip roads not being open is those using Woolley Road, and I'd expect that to be less than 250 AADT.

Also I've noticed they have a no ped sign next to the no entry ends of the slip roads.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.33092 ... 384!8i8192
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.29336 ... 384!8i8192
This really should standard at all restriced access roads, including motorways (the no entry sign applies to every other mode of transport, so no need to chopsticks).
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.29146 ... 384!8i8192 - although this one should be the other side of the footway cause aint noone gonna see it there.
However they havn't put no ped signs on the restricted access slip road here - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.29346 ... 384!8i8192
But they did here? - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.33245 ... 384!8i8192

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:04

jervi wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 02:13
roadtester wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 00:21
Now I'm more familiar with the new road, I'm a bit puzzled that slip wasn't designed/built/opened for general use so that eastbound A14 traffic could access Brampton Hut services more easily. Currently, the services are signed from the A14 eastbound but from miles back and via the A1.

Seems unnecessarily complicated to me.
I'd expect those slip roads to not be open due to more risk with them open. By forcing people to use the A1 you are:
1. Removing a diverge off the A14
2. Removing an entry arm onto the southern dumbell roundabout
3. Reducing traffic on the Northern dumbell roundabout
4. Removing traffic on the entire of the Brampton Hut Roundabout Interchange (since it is the last exit instead of the first)
The A1 route to services only requires a diverge off the A1 and a lane drop (no lane change) off the A14. Plus it is slightly shorter and under normal conditions, quicker.
Going Eastbound there are less risks, although for consitancy it is better to have it reflect the access Westbound.
The only people who are really disadvantaged by the slip roads not being open is those using Woolley Road, and I'd expect that to be less than 250 AADT.

Also I've noticed they have a no ped sign next to the no entry ends of the slip roads.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.33092 ... 384!8i8192
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.29336 ... 384!8i8192
This really should standard at all restriced access roads, including motorways (the no entry sign applies to every other mode of transport, so no need to chopsticks).
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.29146 ... 384!8i8192 - although this one should be the other side of the footway cause aint noone gonna see it there.
However they havn't put no ped signs on the restricted access slip road here - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.29346 ... 384!8i8192
But they did here? - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.33245 ... 384!8i8192
Why build them to that size though if they were not intended for use? The other authorised vehicles only slip road designs out unwanted usage by virtue of looking like a police ramp:

https://goo.gl/maps/riLdMbqNiEF4d2W46

Can HE not even design these consistently now?
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by c2R » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:27

I suspect the ones at Brampton are there so that temporary diversions can be put in place for one reason or another, while the Ermine Street ones are for emergency use only (albeit that the e/b onslip formed the works compound.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by roadtester » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:35

I don't really understand the need to keep traffic wanting to access Brampton Hut off the dumbbell. The dumbbell itself and the short piece of A141 (formerly A14) to the A141(formerly A14)/A1 junction roundabout were all taking the full weight of A14 traffic immediately before the new road opened, so are now massively under capacity and could easily handle the much smaller number of eastbound A14 vehicles whose drivers fancy dropping off for a Big Mac.

As Bryn implies the slip seems to be neither one thing nor the other. If it's for occasional official/emergency use, why does it seem to be built almost but not quite to the standard required for general use? Perhaps general traffic may also be diverted this way in the event of a blockage?

Speaking more generally, the scheme as a whole seems to be much better provided for than most when it comes to this sort of emergency access - has there been some sort of change to standards or something that has produced this?
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by medgoode » Mon Jan 18, 2021 17:56

crb11 wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 23:17
medgoode wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 18:12
Side question: what is the formal name for that bit of link road?
Milton Bypass. (According to the County Council map.)
Sorry, my question was more general. What is the name for a bit of road that cuts the corner so you don't have to stop at the roundabout?

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 23:16

medgoode wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 17:56
crb11 wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 23:17
medgoode wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 18:12
Side question: what is the formal name for that bit of link road?
Milton Bypass. (According to the County Council map.)
Sorry, my question was more general. What is the name for a bit of road that cuts the corner so you don't have to stop at the roundabout?
Various names exist, including 'jet lane' and the HE bureaucracy speak (segregated left turn bypass lane). Free-flow left turn lane is used as well.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by EpicChef » Tue Jan 19, 2021 14:43

Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 23:16
medgoode wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 17:56
crb11 wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 23:17


Milton Bypass. (According to the County Council map.)
Sorry, my question was more general. What is the name for a bit of road that cuts the corner so you don't have to stop at the roundabout?
Various names exist, including 'jet lane' and the HE bureaucracy speak (segregated left turn bypass lane). Free-flow left turn lane is used as well.
I just call it the left turn lane
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Al__S » Tue Jan 19, 2021 20:13

A303Chris wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 15:28

Question is why have they announced this on the A428 Black Cat to Caxton Gibbet twitter feed and not the scheme page?
Because mystifyingly rather than create new social media accounts (at an addtional cost of £0) for the A428 scheme and leave the A14 ones to be archived once all works have been completed, they've renamed the A14 accounts despite A14C2H scheme works still ongoing and little news on the A428 project in months.

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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by Bryn666 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 20:17

Al__S wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 20:13
A303Chris wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 15:28

Question is why have they announced this on the A428 Black Cat to Caxton Gibbet twitter feed and not the scheme page?
Because mystifyingly rather than create new social media accounts (at an addtional cost of £0) for the A428 scheme and leave the A14 ones to be archived once all works have been completed, they've renamed the A14 accounts despite A14C2H scheme works still ongoing and little news on the A428 project in months.
And these people think technology will save us from all future problems, despite being completely unable to understand any of it.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by thatapanydude » Wed Jan 20, 2021 13:24

roadtester wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:35
I don't really understand the need to keep traffic wanting to access Brampton Hut off the dumbbell. The dumbbell itself and the short piece of A141 (formerly A14) to the A141(formerly A14)/A1 junction roundabout were all taking the full weight of A14 traffic immediately before the new road opened, so are now massively under capacity and could easily handle the much smaller number of eastbound A14 vehicles whose drivers fancy dropping off for a Big Mac.

As Bryn implies the slip seems to be neither one thing nor the other. If it's for occasional official/emergency use, why does it seem to be built almost but not quite to the standard required for general use? Perhaps general traffic may also be diverted this way in the event of a blockage?

Speaking more generally, the scheme as a whole seems to be much better provided for than most when it comes to this sort of emergency access - has there been some sort of change to standards or something that has produced this?
Funnily enough Google think they have authority via streetview to use the slip road as shown here !!
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by thatapanydude » Wed Jan 20, 2021 13:27

Another intersting thing is to note the use of the "The North East" as a super destination sign on the A1. Seen this being used on the M42 but never before on the A1.
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Re: A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon "news"

Post by roadtester » Wed Jan 20, 2021 13:40

thatapanydude wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 13:24
roadtester wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:35
I don't really understand the need to keep traffic wanting to access Brampton Hut off the dumbbell. The dumbbell itself and the short piece of A141 (formerly A14) to the A141(formerly A14)/A1 junction roundabout were all taking the full weight of A14 traffic immediately before the new road opened, so are now massively under capacity and could easily handle the much smaller number of eastbound A14 vehicles whose drivers fancy dropping off for a Big Mac.

As Bryn implies the slip seems to be neither one thing nor the other. If it's for occasional official/emergency use, why does it seem to be built almost but not quite to the standard required for general use? Perhaps general traffic may also be diverted this way in the event of a blockage?

Speaking more generally, the scheme as a whole seems to be much better provided for than most when it comes to this sort of emergency access - has there been some sort of change to standards or something that has produced this?
Funnily enough Google think they have authority via streetview to use the slip road as shown here !!
That's interesting! I wonder if they got special permission.
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