Or just swap them over.Brock wrote: If the A303 gets diverted along the A358 between Horton Cross and the M5, the section of A303 west of Horton Cross will presumably need a new number.
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A3303 is spare (as are a couple of other numbers) - but after it's detrunked it may well end up being downgraded further. It's a shame there's already a B3169....Brock wrote:If the A303 gets diverted along the A358 between Horton Cross and the M5, the section of A303 west of Horton Cross will presumably need a new number.
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Keeping it as an A-road would create a longer-distance strategic diversion route in the event of a problem affecting the upgraded road, or even the M5. It doesn't need to be primary, just classifying it as normal A-road should suffice.vlad wrote:A3303 is spare (as are a couple of other numbers) - but after it's detrunked it may well end up being downgraded further. It's a shame there's already a B3169....
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Surely the difference is that the A40 and A6 still have lengthy "live" sections, whereas the A344 now has none.Chris5156 wrote:A6 Market Street, Manchester.Jam35 wrote:A40 Oxford Street?Richardf wrote:I would say that the A344 is an ex A road now, on purely practical grounds. You cant use it like you would any other 'A' road.
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Well we know it is stopped up east of Byway 12 to the A303 so is "dead", defunct, an ex-A344 in this section.PeterA5145 wrote:.Surely the difference is that the A40 and A6 still have lengthy "live" sections, whereas the A344 now has none.
West of Byway 12 to Airman's Corner it must be "live" to have a TRO imposed on it - however the effect of this is to make it "dead" to through/casual traffic and restrict its use to vehicles heading to the visitor centre or by permit upto the stones. A similar process to a TRO used to restrict traffic in pedestrianised streets in town centres.
Whether the "live" section still merits an A road classification? - probably not but that's a different question.
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I seem to recall reading in 'Construction News' that the old pedestrian tunnel was back filled with spray foam concrete and the subway entrances then filled with earth, levelled and grass seeded.Berk wrote:Out of interest, what happened to the old pedestrian subway?? Was it filled in, and if so, how?? Then again, I would assume it's near the parking strip for the land train. Which I assumed was on a (much-reduced) part of the old car park.
There are some more photographs / info re; the A344 closure on the archaeologist Mike Pitts' website for anyone who is interested:
https://mikepitts.wordpress.com/2013/06 ... -the-a344/ &
https://mikepitts.wordpress.com/2013/08 ... -car-park/
Also, I think that (5th March) date on the Vinci Construction images is when the online brochure was published not when the works to rip up the road actually took place. As far as I am aware the road was taken-up in the autumn of 2013. A small part of the old car park was retained / resurfaced as a turning circle for the Land Rover hauled 'land-trains' which didn't prove to be that successful. One of the problems was that the turning circle was too small for them to turn with ease. The land-trains have subsequently been replaced with small 'shopper-hopper' type buses.
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Including the part of A358 NW of Taunton ??Nicholas wrote:Or just swap them over.Brock wrote: If the A303 gets diverted along the A358 between Horton Cross and the M5, the section of A303 west of Horton Cross will presumably need a new number.
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And south of Ilminster?Was92now625 wrote:Including the part of A358 NW of Taunton ??Nicholas wrote:Or just swap them over.Brock wrote: If the A303 gets diverted along the A358 between Horton Cross and the M5, the section of A303 west of Horton Cross will presumably need a new number.
I think there are several possibilites:
1) Rename the A303 west of Ilminster as A3037 and the bit of A358 between Ilminster and Taunton as A303. There is no valid cost of the signpost
2) Do nothing and leave it as A358. Absurd but the sort of thing that happens in the UK.
3) Be more radical and abolish the A303 with it becoming the A30 between the M3 and the M5. The old A30 would become the A3088 between Yeovil and the A36 at Wilton. Between Salisbury and Airmans corner would be an extension of the A343 and Airmans Corner to the A303/A34 junction, the A344. East of yeovil to the A303 junction Honiton the A30 would become the A3037, with the A303 east of Ilminster becoming the A3034. Honiton to Exeter would obviously become the A35.
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I think there are merits in both of these. The first is probably the lowest-cost option, and would be quick, and convenient to implement. And there is a sort of logic in making the A303 a through motorway link.A303Paul wrote:And south of Ilminster?Was92now625 wrote:Including the part of A358 NW of Taunton ??Brock wrote:If the A303 gets diverted along the A358 between Horton Cross and the M5, the section of A303 west of Horton Cross will presumably need a new number.
I think there are several possibilites:
1) Rename the A303 west of Ilminster as A3037 and the bit of A358 between Ilminster and Taunton as A303. There is no valid cost of the signpostbleatargument as virtually no signposts would need changing to do this. All the signs around Taunton with Chard A358 would still be accurate as would those on the A303 stating Taunton (A358) Honiton (A30) etc. Even the motorway wouldn't need extra new signs as the new freeflow junction would have new signs anyway and the old junnction would be correct to still state A358 because it still would be. The renumbered bit of A358 would get new signs anyway as would the A303 west of Ilminster (because the green primary route signs would have to be swapped for black and white non primary signs)
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3) Be more radical and abolish the A303 with it becoming the A30 between the M3 and the M5. The old A30 would become the A3088 between Yeovil and the A36 at Wilton. Between Salisbury and Airmans corner would be an extension of the A343 and Airmans Corner to the A303/A34 junction, the A344. East of yeovil to the A303 junction Honiton the A30 would become the A3037, with the A303 east of Ilminster becoming the A3034. Honiton to Exeter would obviously become the A35.
The second is probably the most logical solution, and is similar to moves/builds/renumberings elsewhere. If you look at a map of the GB road network, you'll probably see that the roads that were there 60 or 70 years ago are still there, they've just been bypassed by through/long-distance traffic. This would be the means by which the 'old A30' is finally laid to rest. It's not even as if there's any long-distance traffic on the old road to get 'confused' by it. I would say it probably is a string of 3, or 4 local A-roads, and is best suited at that.
The only difference I would make is, I would keep the 'new A30' running on from Ilminster down to Honiton. It does need some money spending on it, but it would be a self-contained stretch really. Just signpost Exeter traffic on to the motorway.
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A3037? Pah! Let's be ambitious. For the sake of renumbering a tiny B-road in Congresbury, you could give the old A303 between Ilminster and Upottery its original 1922 number back and call it B3169 again!A303Paul wrote:Rename the A303 west of Ilminster as A3037 and the bit of A358 between Ilminster and Taunton as A303. There is no valid cost of the signpostbleatargument as virtually no signposts would need changing to do this. All the signs around Taunton with Chard A358 would still be accurate as would those on the A303 stating Taunton (A358) Honiton (A30) etc. Even the motorway wouldn't need extra new signs as the new freeflow junction would have new signs anyway and the old junnction would be correct to still state A358 because it still would be. The renumbered bit of A358 would get new signs anyway as would the A303 west of Ilminster (because the green primary route signs would have to be swapped for black and white non primary signs)
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From the SABRE Wiki: B3169 %28Ilminster - Upottery%29 :
The B3169 was a rural B-road running west of Ilminster.
It actually started at Horton Cross, to the west of Ilminster, on the A374, just to the south of that road's junction with the A358. It headed west through Horton itself but passed through no other places large enough to be villages.
After crossing the River Yarty into Devon it ended