What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Graham » Sun Aug 10, 2014 21:04

Helvellyn wrote:I remember as a kid lots of work going on on the A38 to the north of Markeaton, any idea why Markeaton Island didn't get sorted out at the same time? (was it ever even suggested?)
I was living in Allestree in the early 1980s, at the time the Allestree Link Road (now the A38) was being built. AFAIR, a flyover at the Markeaton roundabout was never on the cards.

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by marknotgeorge » Sun Dec 07, 2014 17:18

Well, I'll drag this back from the depths of August, to report that after many delays, it looks like work is on the home straight. Today I noticed that workers from Siemens Traffic Management on the site, and on my way back home, saw that the lights had been switched on.
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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Comstock » Sun Feb 01, 2015 18:48

And now they are consulting on the flyovers and underpasses.

Why the devil didn't they do this in the first place?

Is it me?

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by SC2 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 19:52

Good news. Does anyone know how I can complete the consultation?

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Big L » Sun Feb 01, 2015 19:56

swarkestonecauseway wrote:Good news. Does anyone know how I can complete the consultation?
Starts Monday. Try looking then...
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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by wrinkly » Sun Feb 01, 2015 23:02

Comstock wrote:And now they are consulting on the flyovers and underpasses.

Why the devil didn't they do this in the first place?
They did, in 2003, according to the article you linked yourself. Except that then it was just flyovers.
Originally suggested in the 1970s, flyovers on the A38 were rejected because of their visual impact on nearby park land.

A public consultation in 2003 backed revised plans but funding was never secured.

Smaller scale improvements were carried out in 2014 but faced criticism for causing tailbacks, harming businesses and overrunning.

Now the Highways Agency wants public feedback on a new long-term strategy to create underpasses at Markeaton and Kingsway and a flyover at Little Eaton.
Exhibitions on Friday and Saturday according to the scheme page.

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by M19 » Mon Feb 02, 2015 19:59

wrinkly wrote:
Comstock wrote:And now they are consulting on the flyovers and underpasses.

Why the devil didn't they do this in the first place?
They did, in 2003, according to the article you linked yourself. Except that then it was just flyovers.
Originally suggested in the 1970s, flyovers on the A38 were rejected because of their visual impact on nearby park land.

A public consultation in 2003 backed revised plans but funding was never secured.

Smaller scale improvements were carried out in 2014 but faced criticism for causing tailbacks, harming businesses and overrunning.

Now the Highways Agency wants public feedback on a new long-term strategy to create underpasses at Markeaton and Kingsway and a flyover at Little Eaton.
Exhibitions on Friday and Saturday according to the scheme page.
This question might be worth a thread of its own: Why does the Highways Agency hide details of the proposal that it is exhibiting? For a lot of schemes the closest you get to any plans is a fat blob on a map and er that's about it. Do you think it is trying not to show how the schemes nearly always fall far too short of the very grand sounding announcements?

"Were undertaking major a major £2m upgrade to this junction"...(whiuch actually means with a bit of paint - so that's £1,999,900 for the consultancy fees and £100 for Malcolm to come along at an obscure time and slap a bit of the white stuff on the tarmac)
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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Comstock » Mon Feb 02, 2015 20:36

wrinkly wrote: Exhibitions on Friday and Saturday according to the scheme page.
I might try and make this, especially as I'll be in the area on Saturday. If photos are allowed, I'll try and take some, but I'll need help uploading them to here.

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by wrinkly » Mon Feb 02, 2015 23:38

Most of the exhibition materials will probably be put on the web eventually.

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Comstock » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:54

wrinkly wrote:Most of the exhibition materials will probably be put on the web eventually.
Yes there wasn't anything not online other than some videos on big screens which apprantly are on the HAs YouTube channel.

It's not that it is a bad idea per se. It's just that we are constantly being told that the country is flat broke

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by SC2 » Sat Feb 07, 2015 13:22

I'm not entirely convinced by their proposal for Kingsway, but it looks a fairly decent overall plan.

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by urbanfox » Sun Mar 01, 2015 00:31

Went through here earlier tonight for the first time since it's been finished...

Must say I was very surprised to see the zebra crossing immediately as you enter/leave the roundabout on the Derby side of the A52 is still there!

Slightly further along, but there was a sign warning of 23 weeks of roadworks starting the 8th of March near Branston. Had a quick search and can't find any info - anyone on here know?

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by vlad » Wed Jan 31, 2018 19:36

jackal wrote:Preferred route announcement:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... provements
Grade separation plus increase in speed limits? What's the catch? :)

I always wonder whether it's better to follow the A50 all the way to the M1 rather than turn off and go up the A38 through Derby - but if this goes through as advertised then I'll probably stop thinking that.
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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by jackal » Thu Feb 01, 2018 15:30

In 2002, Option 1 for Kingsway was an asymmetrical freeflow design. As the public exhibition boards explain: "The design does not allow for the A38(Northbound) to the A5111 movement. This is because the low level of existing usage and the simple alternative route (via Uttoxeter Road) make the additional cost uneconomic". Total costs of the improvement were estimated at a mere £6m :shock:
A38 A5111 - Copy.PNG
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... boards.pdf

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Bryn666 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 19:31

That's quite elegant.
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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by wrinkly » Tue Sep 04, 2018 18:08

This appears to be our main current thread on the A38 junctions in Derby. I can find a couple of threads with "A38" and "Derby" in their names, but no posts in recent years.

A new consultation is being held:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cons ... 8-in-derby

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Simon_GNR » Tue Sep 04, 2018 20:51

The proposals look pretty good to me. It's a pity it's about six years before it'll be finished and in use. I've tended to avoid the A38 route from the North to the Birmingham area in recent years largely because of the congestion around Derby. When this scheme is completed it might be more attractive to use the A38 route instead of A42/M42, given how awful the M42 can be these days, but without a freeflow link from M1 s/b to A38 s/b there's still the problem of getting held up at junction 28.

Incidentally, I've never really encountered delays at the A38/A61 and A38/A5111 roundabouts, just at the A38/A52 Markeaton roundabout, which can be awful for queuing traffic.

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Re: What are they doing at Markeaton Island on the A38?

Post by Truvelo » Tue Sep 04, 2018 22:36

Why is there yet another consultation? Just get on and build it :@
How would you like your grade separations, Sir?
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