I’ve always fancied a simple fork from the A522 onto the A50 Westbound. With a little bit if realignedment of the A50 it should be possible without having to knock down *Huge Surprise Incoming* houses that were built right on the road boundary at about same time the roundabout was built. Doing Blythe Bridge would then leave the roundabout at Sudbury which you would imagine would be easily achieveable with a simple dumbbell and Sideway Roundabout with the A500 which is not achieveable without demolishing a very profitable council incinerator as the only 2 at grade junctions on that stretch. Its going to be a case of How do you eat a whole Elephant? A little bit at a time.
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Agree with both of you that the Blythe Bridge roundabout is hugely frustrating and needs to be resolved, and whilst they're doing it resolve the poor A50 alignment. Although there is a railway track and farm that could prove problematic.JF2309 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 23:05I’ve always fancied a simple fork from the A522 onto the A50 Westbound. With a little bit if realignedment of the A50 it should be possible without having to knock down *Huge Surprise Incoming* houses that were built right on the road boundary at about same time the roundabout was built. Doing Blythe Bridge would then leave the roundabout at Sudbury which you would imagine would be easily achieveable with a simple dumbbell and Sideway Roundabout with the A500 which is not achieveable without demolishing a very profitable council incinerator as the only 2 at grade junctions on that stretch. Its going to be a case of How do you eat a whole Elephant? A little bit at a time.
And I totally agree that Sudbury should be a dumbbell.
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I think Blythe Bridge would need a new bridge over the railway for the mainline, with the existing one becoming a slip road, but that's not a particularly big problem.
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The Railway is academic and so might the farm, I’m going to try and get over that way in the next couple of days to see if thats a local authority owned farm, Which believe it or not is more common than not around here, Staffs CC own about 100 farms.
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The problem you have around that area is that the fields are a part of the proposed "Blythe Vale Business Park" which has planning consent for 120,000sqm of B1 land use.
http://www.makeitstokestaffs.co.uk/port ... ness-park/
They've more recently been going in for planning to build housing on a portion of the land.
There really does need to be some improvements made to this junction though, there are still fairly regular HGV rollovers, despite the warning signs.
With regards the farm, I do not believe this to be a CC one, all the others around Staffordshire have prominent signage outside advertising that it's CC owned, whereas this one doesn't.
http://www.makeitstokestaffs.co.uk/port ... ness-park/
They've more recently been going in for planning to build housing on a portion of the land.
There really does need to be some improvements made to this junction though, there are still fairly regular HGV rollovers, despite the warning signs.
With regards the farm, I do not believe this to be a CC one, all the others around Staffordshire have prominent signage outside advertising that it's CC owned, whereas this one doesn't.
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How stupid. Why didn't DfT/HE object?rw93 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 08:15 The problem you have around that area is that the fields are a part of the proposed "Blythe Vale Business Park" which has planning consent for 120,000sqm of B1 land use.
http://www.makeitstokestaffs.co.uk/port ... ness-park/
They've more recently been going in for planning to build housing on a portion of the land.
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I think Bryn's reply in the A27 IKEA thread covers this sort of thing.
Unless there is pressure to change policy, developers will be screwing up good roads all over the place in the next few years. Is this just England, it sounds so typically the English attitude?Roads for the expedient movement of traffic as defined in TMA 2004 have gone out of the window in favour of roads that make tax receipts on business rates and land purchase. To hell with the fact it screws a trunk road up even more, having 200 new jobs is seen as more important even though those 200 new jobs will likely drive and clog up the road with the lost productivity being ignored.
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In the case of Blythe Bridge at least, it contradicts the policy on expressways.
Am I imagining it, or has the A50 been listed as a proposed expressway?
Am I imagining it, or has the A50 been listed as a proposed expressway?
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The Uttoxeter section is described as a 'Growth Corridor' by Staffs CC. I don't know how far west it goes but suspect not much further than the adjacent JCB big shed. Whether HE have any special designation for the A50 from, say, Blithe Bridge to the Derbyshire border (and beyond) would be good to know.
The A50 upgrade, continuing since the 1960s, still has a lot to explain for itself...
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No, I definitely wasn't thinking of the "Growth Corridor". I was thinking of DfT publications about expressways and the trunk road programme that have been discussed in other threads over the past year ot two. I think the A50 was listed as a potential expressway - but roundabouts on the mainline seem to be incompatible with DfT's/HE's definition of an expressway.
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I think the A50 was mentioned in the expressways document. Midlands Connect also have ambitions for it.
If you look at rw93's link, development phase 1 would most likely require the roundabout to be expanded with a fourth arm, which would create disruption and congestion, as well is get in the way of an intermediate solution of a left turn filter. Surely this wouldn't be allowed on a putative expressway, or at least not as a freebie.
Perhaps HE have some kind of commitment for developer contributions towards a GSJ once the development hits a certain size?
If you look at rw93's link, development phase 1 would most likely require the roundabout to be expanded with a fourth arm, which would create disruption and congestion, as well is get in the way of an intermediate solution of a left turn filter. Surely this wouldn't be allowed on a putative expressway, or at least not as a freebie.
Perhaps HE have some kind of commitment for developer contributions towards a GSJ once the development hits a certain size?
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Just heard on Radio 2 Travel that the A50 Westbound is shut at Blythe Bridge 'simply because of a broken down lorry'. Deary me.
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The local newspaper reports that all the work on the by-the-JCB bridge is completed. What now for phase two?
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“Highways England is currently considering how to take this project forward.”
https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transp ... ridor.aspx
Surley the funding is already in place and the planning has already been done? Roght?
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Surley the funding is already in place and the planning has already been done? Roght?
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JF,
That seems to have been their stock response for some time. It's understandable given the rather charged issues around the McDonalds 'service area' and compulsory land purchases needed for the west side off and on ramps. The local 'anti people are very vocal.
PS IMHO I don't see why they can't build a road overbridge where the roundabout is to reconnect the former Rocester road (B5030). Dreams, eh?
That seems to have been their stock response for some time. It's understandable given the rather charged issues around the McDonalds 'service area' and compulsory land purchases needed for the west side off and on ramps. The local 'anti people are very vocal.
PS IMHO I don't see why they can't build a road overbridge where the roundabout is to reconnect the former Rocester road (B5030). Dreams, eh?
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Staffs CC are not the best at PR and Public Communications. I think the ‘Service Area’ is being retained(?), I might have made that up but I’m sure I read it would be kept.GeorgeEvans wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 20:11 JF,
That seems to have been their stock response for some time. It's understandable given the rather charged issues around the McDonalds 'service area' and compulsory land purchases needed for the west side off and on ramps. The local 'anti people are very vocal.
PS IMHO I don't see why they can't build a road overbridge where the roundabout is to reconnect the former Rocester road (B5030). Dreams, eh?
The A518 Old Knotty Way, Town Meadows Way and The Dove Way were built as a relief road to bypass the town centre and that roundabout so it would be fairly superfluous to have another here.
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Yes, I guess so. Thanks for that.The A518 Old Knotty Way, Town Meadows Way and The Dove Way were built as a relief road to bypass the town centre and that roundabout so it would be fairly superfluous to have another here.
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On a roll.
While looking for something else I've just found a photocopy of a map from circa 2008: 'Figure 1,1 - map of Burton to Swadlincote Regeneration Corridor'. It's from the East Staffs & South Derbs Core Strategy material, and clearly slows - if little else! - the proposed A514 extension (see here).
The image shows the new road meeting the A38 at a point near Marley Tiles Ltd, as originally intended by Staffs CC. Although it's a decade on, I wonder whether the local planning peeps still have an eye on the big 'prize? I suspect so, as its construction would be a huge boost to the local economy. My feeling is the councils, regional bodies and signed up contractors (?) are looking at this, the next big job, once the river bridge construction is underway [I've no evidence - yet].
PS The private/public financed section of the Woodville by-pass was completed last year; the other section is in hand.
While looking for something else I've just found a photocopy of a map from circa 2008: 'Figure 1,1 - map of Burton to Swadlincote Regeneration Corridor'. It's from the East Staffs & South Derbs Core Strategy material, and clearly slows - if little else! - the proposed A514 extension (see here).
The image shows the new road meeting the A38 at a point near Marley Tiles Ltd, as originally intended by Staffs CC. Although it's a decade on, I wonder whether the local planning peeps still have an eye on the big 'prize? I suspect so, as its construction would be a huge boost to the local economy. My feeling is the councils, regional bodies and signed up contractors (?) are looking at this, the next big job, once the river bridge construction is underway [I've no evidence - yet].
PS The private/public financed section of the Woodville by-pass was completed last year; the other section is in hand.
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