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What we in SABRE call the "happy car sign"?

eg. We could have
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That would be OK, but I think folks would need educating about what it means. And certainly about what it doesn't mean.

Maybe it would need additional prohibitory signs (no horse-drawn vehicles/cyclists/pedestrians)?? Actually, the prohibitory signs could go on an additional board underneath.
Bit annoying, because it would make the cost of the signs more expensive.
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I'd certainly be in favour of a "happy car" sign for some non-motorway special roads. The tunnel stretch of the A55 comes to mind for me too.

Meanwhile, here is my local motorway "NO" sign that I just remembered as I drove past today. I don't really see the point: for a pedestrian to even see that sign they'd have to wander on to the motorway anyway, and as for "no stopping" it's only a few yards before a traffic light!
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The happy car would be a good addition to the sign family in the UK.

My main memory of the 'NO...' signs on motorways was not that long after the Republic of Ireland switched to metric units. On the on-slip we used on that holiday one of the 'NO..' signs had been patched to '50 km/h' the other still showed the obsolete mph restriction.
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Bristol wrote:I'd certainly be in favour of a "happy car" sign for some non-motorway special roads. The tunnel stretch of the A55 comes to mind for me too.

Meanwhile, here is my local motorway "NO" sign that I just remembered as I drove past today. I don't really see the point: for a pedestrian to even see that sign they'd have to wander on to the motorway anyway, and as for "no stopping" it's only a few yards before a traffic light!
It's instructing people not to stop on the roundabout to drop passengers off
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I encountered this oddity yesterday

It's odd for two reasons:
It only has pedestrians and stopping but not the other prohibitions. :confused:
It's on the roundabout at the M62/A627(M) junction so you've been on a motorway for miles when you see it. :confused:
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the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:11 I encountered this oddity yesterday

It's odd for two reasons:
It only has pedestrians and stopping but not the other prohibitions. :confused:
It's on the roundabout at the M62/A627(M) junction so you've been on a motorway for miles when you see it. :confused:
There's a few of them dotted around on motorway roundabouts (and almost roundabouts) to remind people that the roundabout itself is a motorway. There's some on M4 J8/9 and M4 J19 for example.
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Steven wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:37
the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:11 I encountered this oddity yesterday

It's odd for two reasons:
It only has pedestrians and stopping but not the other prohibitions. :confused:
It's on the roundabout at the M62/A627(M) junction so you've been on a motorway for miles when you see it. :confused:
There's a few of them dotted around on motorway roundabouts (and almost roundabouts) to remind people that the roundabout itself is a motorway. There's some one M4 J8/9 and M4 J19 for example.
Sometimes with the additional text "Motorway regulations still apply".
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The signs were common in the 1960s and 1970s when motorways were still relatively new, and are still seen in the Republic of Ireland today where most of their motorways are a similar age to what ours were then. I'd imagine they were quietly phased out since by the late 1970s/early 1980s people had become accustomed to what the motorway rules were.
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Steven wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:37
the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:11 I encountered this oddity yesterday

It's odd for two reasons:
It only has pedestrians and stopping but not the other prohibitions. :confused:
It's on the roundabout at the M62/A627(M) junction so you've been on a motorway for miles when you see it. :confused:
There's a few of them dotted around on motorway roundabouts (and almost roundabouts) to remind people that the roundabout itself is a motorway. There's some on M4 J8/9 and M4 J19 for example.
I recall one junction, I think the M4 J19, has a clearway sign alongside the "motorway regulations still apply" one. Since stopping is prohibited under the motorway rules, the clearway sign shouldn't be needed and may even technically violate the motorway design regulations. This is the only place where I can think of an all-purpose clearway sign on a motorway.

This is slightly unrelated, but if a D2 trunk route becomes a motorway at a grade separated junction and there's a 10 metre gap between a clearway end sign and the motorway sign, would you be violating the road's code by stopping in that 10 metre gap? I think there are a few examples like this.
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I always assumed they dated back to when hitch-hiking was more common, to stop people being drop off/picked up on the roundabout.
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RJDG14 wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:44
I recall one junction, I think the M4 J19, has a clearway sign alongside the "motorway regulations still apply" one. Since stopping is prohibited under the motorway rules, the clearway sign shouldn't be needed and may even technically violate the motorway design regulations. This is the only place where I can think of an all-purpose clearway sign on a motorway.

This is slightly unrelated, but if a D2 trunk route becomes a motorway at a grade separated junction and there's a 10 metre gap between a clearway end sign and the motorway sign, would you be violating the road's code by stopping in that 10 metre gap? I think there are a few examples like this.
Prior to being upgraded to A1(M) some sections of the A1 in Yorkshire had clearway signs.
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RJDG14 wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:44
Steven wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:37
the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:11 I encountered this oddity yesterday

It's odd for two reasons:
It only has pedestrians and stopping but not the other prohibitions. :confused:
It's on the roundabout at the M62/A627(M) junction so you've been on a motorway for miles when you see it. :confused:
There's a few of them dotted around on motorway roundabouts (and almost roundabouts) to remind people that the roundabout itself is a motorway. There's some on M4 J8/9 and M4 J19 for example.
I recall one junction, I think the M4 J19, has a clearway sign alongside the "motorway regulations still apply" one. Since stopping is prohibited under the motorway rules, the clearway sign shouldn't be needed and may even technically violate the motorway design regulations. This is the only place where I can think of an all-purpose clearway sign on a motorway.

This is slightly unrelated, but if a D2 trunk route becomes a motorway at a grade separated junction and there's a 10 metre gap between a clearway end sign and the motorway sign, would you be violating the road's code by stopping in that 10 metre gap? I think there are a few examples like this.
No, because there is a reasonable distance exemption permitted where signs might not correlate with the exact points of a TRO but for siting purposes the sign has to be further away - anything more than 10m would be taking a liberty but if you stopped between the two signs on purpose you'd still get a stern word from the police.
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RJDG14 wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:44I recall one junction, I think the M4 J19, has a clearway sign alongside the "motorway regulations still apply" one. Since stopping is prohibited under the motorway rules, the clearway sign shouldn't be needed and may even technically violate the motorway design regulations. This is the only place where I can think of an all-purpose clearway sign on a motorway.
Orrell interchange has these little repeaters, but none include the clearway sign. There are some of the worded signs which do include the 'no stopping' legend, though, like the other ones that were mentioned.
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:thumbsup: Aah yes the sign makes sense now. There are no such signs at the M1/M62, M18/A1(M),M18/M180 or M62/M60/M66 roundabouts. As suggested above perhaps it 's just because those were built later. Or perhaps there's some profound logic involved :pig:
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the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 19:17 :thumbsup: Aah yes the sign makes sense now. There are no such signs at the M1/M62, M18/A1(M),M18/M180 or M62/M60/M66 roundabouts. As suggested above perhaps it 's just because those were built later. Or perhaps there's some profound logic involved :pig:
Simister Island has them.

https://goo.gl/maps/WigT5UVDWJnnEU5q6

The repeater signs seen on the M6/M58 and A627(M)/M62 roundabouts are actually from Northern Ireland and are prescribed in the NI TSRGD. They are not prescribed here.
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the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 19:17:thumbsup: Aah yes the sign makes sense now. There are no such signs at the M1/M62, M18/A1(M),M18/M180 or M62/M60/M66 roundabouts. As suggested above perhaps it 's just because those were built later. Or perhaps there's some profound logic involved :pig:
There's no standard sign for this, so they'll have been installed on a case by case basis, with a new sign being thought up for each location as different people came up with their own solutions in each case.

The M65 roundabouts BOTH HAVE VERY SHOUTY SIGNS.

M4 J8/9 has some too.
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Such signs are generally erected in response to a particular local compliance issue. The M25 main carriageway at the Clackets Lane services had signage on the main carriageway hard shoulder prohibiting parking, which of course is always prohibited, but was an issue there with European HGVs doing so to evade the parking charges in the services. Later the shoulder was hatched off, and then semi-permanent concrete Jersey Barriers installed to eliminate the shoulder.

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Bryn666 wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 19:36 Simister Island has them.
D'oh! So it does. I must pay more attention next time. :facepalm:
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