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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by Bryn666 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 19:35

Rambo wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 19:33
Bryn666 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 19:28
This completely hideous and uninspiring road scheme is underway in Blackburn:

https://democracy.blackburn.gov.uk/docu ... 097547.pdf

The genius of the plan is now forcing 44t HGVs to make a very difficult left (or right) turn between a corner shop and a former pub, because they can't build the western half of this road because it would run through a woodland.
A bit like this https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3853451 ... 312!8i6656 sharp bend on a previously unclassified industrial road. Now a primary route as part of the Warrington centre park link road.
There's two problems:

1) HGVs are too large for our roads and the 44t size should never have been approved so such low-spec designs can function as intended
2) Highway design ignores the laws of physics to save money, and creates substandard infrastructure that doesn't work
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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by Rambo » Thu Jan 21, 2021 19:41

Bryn666 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 19:35
Rambo wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 19:33
Bryn666 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 19:28
This completely hideous and uninspiring road scheme is underway in Blackburn:

https://democracy.blackburn.gov.uk/docu ... 097547.pdf

The genius of the plan is now forcing 44t HGVs to make a very difficult left (or right) turn between a corner shop and a former pub, because they can't build the western half of this road because it would run through a woodland.
A bit like this https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3853451 ... 312!8i6656 sharp bend on a previously unclassified industrial road. Now a primary route as part of the Warrington centre park link road.
There's two problems:

1) HGVs are too large for our roads and the 44t size should never have been approved so such low-spec designs can function as intended
2) Highway design ignores the laws of physics to save money, and creates substandard infrastructure that doesn't work
A fresh road surface a some new kerbs and it'll 'be reet'! well that's what WBC highways dept must have thought when this was signed off..

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by danfw194 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 14:25

Been searching the net to find any official plans, but all I can find is a reference in this article: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... ht-4763738

The Park Hill Lane crossroads on the A46 north of Leicester is getting an upgrade, in light of Leicester City's new training complex which is now up and running, just off the A46 to the west. The cones are up and work appears to be starting, temporary 50 limit on both carriageways for approximately a mile on the approach and through the junction. Looks like they'll be increasing the capacity for waiting in between the carriageways. It's not sufficient in my eyes. I drive through this junction every day, and frankly it was an accident black spot anyway before the increased traffic from the training complex. Needed grade separation - a simple diamond junction would be enough. But, as with the rest of this substandard stretch, it's a sticking plaster solution.

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by darkcape » Sun Jan 24, 2021 20:21

danfw194 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 14:25
Been searching the net to find any official plans, but all I can find is a reference in this article: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... ht-4763738

The Park Hill Lane crossroads on the A46 north of Leicester is getting an upgrade, in light of Leicester City's new training complex which is now up and running, just off the A46 to the west. The cones are up and work appears to be starting, temporary 50 limit on both carriageways for approximately a mile on the approach and through the junction. Looks like they'll be increasing the capacity for waiting in between the carriageways. It's not sufficient in my eyes. I drive through this junction every day, and frankly it was an accident black spot anyway before the increased traffic from the training complex. Needed grade separation - a simple diamond junction would be enough. But, as with the rest of this substandard stretch, it's a sticking plaster solution.
Completely agree. Since Newark-Widmerpool, this is the lowest-standard in terms of safety for the whole A46 for me. It was a perfect opportunity to use private money to improve the junction. Either shut it or make it a GSJ. And why not insist the work is done in advance of the training ground opening- despite the diversion signs the number of contractors using the crossroads last year was huge.

Let me know if you work out whether the speed camera has also been reduced to 50mph or not :wink:

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by danfw194 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:02

darkcape wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 20:21
danfw194 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 14:25
Been searching the net to find any official plans, but all I can find is a reference in this article: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... ht-4763738

The Park Hill Lane crossroads on the A46 north of Leicester is getting an upgrade, in light of Leicester City's new training complex which is now up and running, just off the A46 to the west. The cones are up and work appears to be starting, temporary 50 limit on both carriageways for approximately a mile on the approach and through the junction. Looks like they'll be increasing the capacity for waiting in between the carriageways. It's not sufficient in my eyes. I drive through this junction every day, and frankly it was an accident black spot anyway before the increased traffic from the training complex. Needed grade separation - a simple diamond junction would be enough. But, as with the rest of this substandard stretch, it's a sticking plaster solution.
Completely agree. Since Newark-Widmerpool, this is the lowest-standard in terms of safety for the whole A46 for me. It was a perfect opportunity to use private money to improve the junction. Either shut it or make it a GSJ. And why not insist the work is done in advance of the training ground opening- despite the diversion signs the number of contractors using the crossroads last year was huge.

Let me know if you work out whether the speed camera has also been reduced to 50mph or not :wink:
Yep, this should have been wrapped up properly in the granting of planning permission for the training ground.
As I've said previously on here, looking at the full Syston-Newark stretch, you will struggle to find a road which has such a stark contrast in the quality of it's sections; north of Widmerpool is a joy, south is a calamity.

I've seen cars going through at north of 50mph and no flashes, so I reckon it's still sitting on 70. Although even then, I'm unconvinced they're even switched on for 70! Never seen a single flash in over 4 years of daily driving in both directions.......not that I fancy testing that theory!

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by Monroads » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:35

danfw194 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:02
darkcape wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 20:21
danfw194 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 14:25
Been searching the net to find any official plans, but all I can find is a reference in this article: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... ht-4763738

The Park Hill Lane crossroads on the A46 north of Leicester is getting an upgrade, in light of Leicester City's new training complex which is now up and running, just off the A46 to the west. The cones are up and work appears to be starting, temporary 50 limit on both carriageways for approximately a mile on the approach and through the junction. Looks like they'll be increasing the capacity for waiting in between the carriageways. It's not sufficient in my eyes. I drive through this junction every day, and frankly it was an accident black spot anyway before the increased traffic from the training complex. Needed grade separation - a simple diamond junction would be enough. But, as with the rest of this substandard stretch, it's a sticking plaster solution.
Completely agree. Since Newark-Widmerpool, this is the lowest-standard in terms of safety for the whole A46 for me. It was a perfect opportunity to use private money to improve the junction. Either shut it or make it a GSJ. And why not insist the work is done in advance of the training ground opening- despite the diversion signs the number of contractors using the crossroads last year was huge.

Let me know if you work out whether the speed camera has also been reduced to 50mph or not :wink:
Yep, this should have been wrapped up properly in the granting of planning permission for the training ground.
As I've said previously on here, looking at the full Syston-Newark stretch, you will struggle to find a road which has such a stark contrast in the quality of it's sections; north of Widmerpool is a joy, south is a calamity.

I've seen cars going through at north of 50mph and no flashes, so I reckon it's still sitting on 70. Although even then, I'm unconvinced they're even switched on for 70! Never seen a single flash in over 4 years of daily driving in both directions.......not that I fancy testing that theory!
There isn’t a calibration certificate available for the A46 cameras on the Leicestershire speed partnership website.

So I’d imagine they aren’t active

https://www.speedorsafety.com/camera-lo ... statistics

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by Hdeng16 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:57

They certainly worked at some point because I've seen it flash but it would have been years and years ago.

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by darkcape » Mon Jan 25, 2021 19:10

Southbound definetley flashed a few times last year, not sure I've ever seen northbound go off.

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by wrinkly » Tue Feb 02, 2021 13:00

Work starts on new link from M62 J19 to Heywood

https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/s ... s-project/

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Re: Local Road Projects

Post by wrinkly » Sun Feb 07, 2021 00:35

BBC talking about a possible clifftop diversion of the A183:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55962270

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