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Truvelo wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 15:04 If you extend the LAR along the entire length of the bypass the whole thing could become M27. But even without blue signs the rationing of junctions clearly removes all the weaving.
The A259 doesn’t run along the whole length of the bypass. If you fold all the other local roads into that, the (new carriageway) A259 is the only road they would be allowed to have access with (as per my proposal).

If access to Westhampnett is needed, the A286 across town would be required.

Bryn’s proposal seems to make use of Quarry Lane, Kingsham Avenue/Road, Canal Wharf, and Terminus Road. Not that I know the area, but I can see using residential roads à la A205 going down like a lead balloon, and the proposal in the bin... :confused:

But it would be simpler/easier to construct than mine, as not only would some houses need to go, but part of a lake would need to be reclaimed...
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Ring it fully. A HQ GSJ'd S2 for the northern section, mainly in cutting, with a cut and cover tunnel near Goodwood, then when built it could be used as a diversion while you bury the southern section with the only two junction being on Bognor Way and the Cathedral roundabout. Up above have some boulevard type road connecting all the other junctions. thus through traffic in the tunnel, local above.
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Sounds good. But it would be so expensive (and not a little complex), I doubt it would ever be built...
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Isn't that what the Dutch A2 does in places?
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By the time you’d have finished all that would it not have been quicker to bore a D2 under the city?
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When looking at the region itself a northern route makes the most sense and avoids the tops of the creeks of Chichester Harbour.

If only Goodwood was sold for housing, then there would be an instant reason to build it for ease of access to it!
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Pah!!! to all you 'neh sayers'. Have some imagination. Otherwise you end up with the roundabout hell of the Carlisle N/W by-pass or the Bexhill link road. :roll:
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Here's my attempt at bypassing Chichester to the north without having to plough through the middle of Goodwood. I have also included a D2 spur from Goodwood to the original bypass, replacing the current Westhampnett bypass.
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A quick and poor quality map showing what I think would be the ideal solution. 12 ish miles of new dual carriageway of similar standard to the Emsworth bit. Chichester bypass solved, Fontwell/Tangmere lack of GSJs solved, ancient woodland/national park issues solved. Better road access for Bognor, especially with an eastern junction

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Bryn666 wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 08:51 Isn't that what the Dutch A2 does in places?
It does, as it passes by Utrecht. As do the A15 and A16 in inner-city Rotterdam.
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SarahJ wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 13:40 Pah!!! to all you 'neh sayers'. Have some imagination. Otherwise you end up with the roundabout hell of the Carlisle N/W by-pass or the Bexhill link road. :roll:
I'll have some of what she's smoking! There is nothing wrong with dreaming.

In fairness, we took our friends on Saturday to Fishbourne Roman Palace and then on to the wonderful airfield museum at Tangmere. There were no noticeable delays at any roundabouts, but the road markings on the roundabouts, listing the road numbers which the lanes apply to, could benefit from some really serious repainting.

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Both options rejected by Highways England:

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1731111 ... -rejected/
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Norfolktolancashire wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:53 When looking at the region itself a northern route makes the most sense and avoids the tops of the creeks of Chichester Harbour.

If only Goodwood was sold for housing, then there would be an instant reason to build it for ease of access to it!
... funded by the developers of the housing scheme.
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jackal wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 07:42 Both options rejected by Highways England:

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1731111 ... -rejected/
It is hard to imagine any viable alternative to either a northern bypass or improving the existing southern bypass. Short of there being any serious plans to completely replace the A27 with a new offline road all the way through West Sussex, it seems unlikely that there will be any proposals for Chichester different from those that have been rejected. The existing proposals will probably just have to be amended to a reasonable extent.
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Highways England's reasons for rejecting the two locally proposed schemes:

“Further to our meeting of 13th December with Jim O’Sullivan for Highways England to discuss the work undertaken by Systra and BABA27 group, we write to confirm the discussions and outcome of that meeting.

“The Mitigated Northern Option follows similar alignments to previous routes considered by Highways England but the mitigation included the majority of the road in deeper cutting, the inclusion of green bridges at 2 key locations, desire for noise barriers over greater length and no junction at the A286.

“The tie in with the existing road at the eastern end was slightly further east, this option is at this time considered technically buildable. Part of the new by-pass and a relocated local road (New Road) would intrude into the South Downs National Park (SDNP) and would also impact on Goodwood Estate.

“The intrusion into SDNP is against the National Policy Statement for National Networks (Section 5.150) and therefore with the presence of a viable alternative (all five of the RISl options) the Mitigated Northern Option is highly unlikely to obtain approval through the DCO process.

"The option would also likely require substantial works at the Boxgrove roundabout, probably in the form of grade separation, this work is outside of the original scheme and has not been included in the cost figures below.

“The estimated cost of the Mitigated Northern Option is in excess of £480m.

"The costs also do not include for mitigation of the construction impacts on Goodwood estate operations or events.

“The mitigation enhancements would not increase the scheme benefits and hence the BCR would be greatly reduced from previous options resulting in a scheme that would not offer value for money and therefore the option is not supportable by Highways England as a promotable RIS scheme.

“The mitigated southern option proposed underpasses at Fishbourne and Stockbridge roundabouts, the desire for all turning movements at all existing junctions, with grade separation at Portfield roundabout, as well as enhanced noise and visual mitigation measures.

“The option presented is not technically buildable and some other elements carry challenging construction and ongoing maintenance issues with resultant cost implications.

“The proposal for underpasses at both Fishbourne and Stockbridge roundabouts would incur considerable build and ongoing maintenance costs due to the ground conditions and high water table requiring pumping both during construction and thereafter for the lifetime of the scheme.

“The suggestion of an underpass at Stockbridge roundabout also incurred the costs of diverting the Chichester Canal which would require land take from the Chichester College sports field for the diverted canal.

“The construction period for underpasses would be greater than the previously proposed flyovers with associated traffic disruption.

“For Fishbourne and Stockbridge grade separated junctions to comply with Highway Standards it is not possible to have slip roads facing each other.

“For the costing exercise to make the scheme feasible the cost allowed for the western section of the previous considered Stockbridge link road and no west facing slip roads at Stockbridge.

“At Stockbridge and Whyke junctions, to comply with Highways Standards it is not possible to have slip roads facing each other, and likewise between Whyke and Bognor roundabouts.

“The costed option included for the local road being carried over the A27 at the Whyke junction as in RISI Option 2A.

“The flyover option at Bognor roundabout as per RISl Option 2A is feasible (subject to slip road conflicts with Whyke) and was used for the costing exercise.

“The proposal at Portfield junction for a flyover and all direction slip roads is technically challenging.

“To achieve a suitable alignment at even a reduced speed limit requires a horizontal curve that either passes over (through) the new development on the southern side of the junction or travels over the lake on the northern side for its whole length, both with considerable cost implications.

“The tie in with the existing alignment at the eastern end would also become technically unachievable with the slip roads at Temple bar junction, the mitigation of which has not been detailed or costed.

“There are also technical difficulties in regard the new junctions linked with the Shopwhyke Lakes development, the mitigation of which has not been detailed or costed.

“The Mitigated Southern Option allowed for considerable noise barriers and landscaping, these are limited given the locality of the road in regard residential and commercial development along the various sectiors ofthe by-pass and would be technically challenging and costly.

“Allowing for the difficulties in delivering the suggested mitigations and the costs of difficult construction at Fishbourne, Stockbridge and Portfield this option is costed at £500m.

“The RISI Option 2A was costed in the order of £250m, with the benefits of the mitigated southern Option being little different to the RIS1 option the BCR would be expected to be below 1.5 which does not deliver value for money.

“The HE proposed RlSl scheme was cancelled by the Secretary of State primarily due to the lack of local support for the scheme.

“Whilst the BABA27 work has indicated a level of consensus is possible, the suggestions that they have put forward for both northern and southern options are undeliverable in our opinion due to their costs and in the case of the northern option, the impact of national policy.

“In light of the above it is clear that both presented options, Mitigated Northern and Mitigated southern, have considerable issues to delivery that canaot at this time be overcome.

“This along with the considerable costs without increased benefits mean the scheme would not represent value for money and therefore it is not possible to take a major improvement of the Chichester bypass forward at this time.”

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Is this going to provide folks with the wake-up call they need that their proprosals aren’t viable??

It explains pretty reasonably and fairly that they can’t have their cake and eat it. Mind you, I’m starting to think Bryn’s proposal is the best/most feasible/easiest to construct.

Probably the most sustainable, too. If the locals can just accept it, somehow.
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Nah instead of even trying again just leave them to it. They don't want queues but don't want a better road.

The problem is local traffic cocking up the strategic route so just remove all the local access. :twisted:
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Does anyone know if HE have ever seriously considered something like I proposed in this thread on 20 Aug 2018?
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That was another intelligent proposal, too. Makes you wonder why they didn’t design one like it themselves.
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Herned wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 09:54 Does anyone know if HE have ever seriously considered something like I proposed in this thread on 20 Aug 2018?
I doubt that they ever have, which is a bit disappointing because your suggestion would also have the potential to dim down any disagreements over the Arundel bypass as well.
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