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jackal wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 09:21 Still no sign of progress:

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economi ... n-19578258
That is a good photo in that article... it shows the farm track meanandering over the motorway and possibly in use!...Don't know of any other gsj with such a design :shock:
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"Developer hits out over M49 junction 'responsibility' and issues update on progress of delayed link road"

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AAndy wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 08:45
jackal wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 09:21 Still no sign of progress:

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economi ... n-19578258
That is a good photo in that article... it shows the farm track meanandering over the motorway and possibly in use!...Don't know of any other gsj with such a design :shock:
If you mean the track that goes under the roundabout then loops up to run over the motorway parallel with the roundabout then dives back down again ... that isn't a farm track, it's a purpose-built cycle track designed to allow cycle commuters from Bristol to reach the industrial estate without having to negotiate traffic on the roundabout.
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Typical response from the morally and ethically bankrupt thing that property developers are these days. No legal obligation therefore we won't do it. They criticise HE for not participating in the agreement. Unless it is something else they mean, HE completed a full m/way junction with stubs and planted 3000 trees. What more do Delta want from them?
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SteveA30 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:10 Typical response from the morally and ethically bankrupt thing that property developers are these days. No legal obligation therefore we won't do it. They criticise HE for not participating in the agreement. Unless it is something else they mean, HE completed a full m/way junction with stubs and planted 3000 trees. What more do Delta want from them?
Well, when Successive Governments have been bending over backward to help developers and rigged the planning rules so that pretty much any development is classed as 'good for the economy' even if it shafts the strategic road network, is it any surprise?

Its a bit like the situation where a parent hasn't been firm enough with their child in the early years but then be all surprised when the are permanently behaving badly as a teenager. Once a child has been given firm boundaries the chances they will consistently become a problem later on is much reduced.

As things stand the developers know they have the upper hand. Sit there and make a lot of noise saying its the Governments fault and blaming HE for all the lorries on local roads rather than take responsibility for building the link road is basically behaving like a spoilt child. However as I said above this is only possible because Governments have tried to offload all responsibility for regulating or constraining developers behaviour in the pursuit of the "all development = good" mentality.
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2021-01-31 A403.png
Could relevant local authorities (South Gloucestershire and Bristol) introduce a maximum weight restriction (for example 3 tonnes) on A403?

You could tell the developers this restriction will be introduced in (say) 4 months. After that date, any vans or lorries over 3 tonnes will not be legal on A403.

Of course if those developers were to spend those 4 months building and opening the red dotted line connection to M49 J1, the vans and lorries will have continuous access, now via M49.
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gepree68 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 20:30 2021-01-31.png

Could relevant local authorities (South Gloucestershire and Bristol) introduce a maximum weight restriction (for example 3 tonnes) on A403?

You could tell the developers this restriction will be introduced in (say) 4 months. After that date, any vans or lorries over 3 tonnes will not be legal on A403.

Of course if those developers were to spend those 4 months building and opening the red dotted line connection to M49 J1, the vans and lorries will have continuous access, now via M49.
Unless the A403 was structurally deficient, then no, as environmental weight limits have an except for access caveat. All the surrounding developments have to do is say they will lose access to their site and the TRO will be chucked out by the High Court.
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Gotta be a dodgy culvert around there somewhere surely?!
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Hdeng16 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 22:00 Gotta be a dodgy culvert around there somewhere surely?!
Doubt it! My chaotic side suggests this should be another black mark against the top brass at HE for ever believing developers would do their side of the bargain and not forcing the issue, meaning they've spaffed millions for nowt as it stands, along with their failure to handle the PR around smart motorways as well.

No wonder Jim O'Sullivan is quitting this year, he must know something is about to go down. Nice work if you can get it though, his earnings last year were at least £380,000.
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This junction reminds me of the M1 junction 45 at Leeds, question is how many years will this junction be left before anything actually connects to it and it actually becomes useful!?
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Crimbo13 wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 23:32 This junction reminds me of the M1 junction 45 at Leeds, question is how many years will this junction be left before anything actually connects to it and it actually becomes useful!?
It crossed my mind too. The difference is that J45 was built on a new build motorway and the cost was fairly minor in the context of a huge project. The M49 was a brand new junction and all costs were for said junction. J45 was also built knowing it wouldn't be used for a number of years.
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Bryn666 wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:26
Hdeng16 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 22:00 Gotta be a dodgy culvert around there somewhere surely?!
Doubt it! My chaotic side suggests this should be another black mark against the top brass at HE for ever believing developers would do their side of the bargain and not forcing the issue, meaning they've spaffed millions for nowt as it stands, along with their failure to handle the PR around smart motorways as well.

No wonder Jim O'Sullivan is quitting this year, he must know something is about to go down. Nice work if you can get it though, his earnings last year were at least £380,000.
Sounds like what happens with the current and previous governments from May 2010 onwards giving contracts to their mates. Over the years its got so bad they arent even delivering anything, re failed test and trace, a ferry company with no boats ect amongst others.
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So for roughly 160 metres of land that HE couldnt compulsory purchase, the junction is unused?
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Highly likely to be a bunch of snouts in the trough lawyers, willing to exploit the situation to make a tonne of cash at taxpayers expense if the HE try to do anything about it.
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The West of England Combined Authority has allocated £1million to complete the link roads at the Avonmouth junction but they say that the work will take 1 year to complete.
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Delta are contributing how much........?
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"Unusable M49 junction 'causing misery' nearly two years after being built"

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"Misery" is a bit of a strong word! I know the drive along the A403 from Avonmouth can be a little bit grim on the scenery side, but... :D

Actually, it'll be nice to get that junction open from a personal point of view. My employers have opened up a new office/maintenance hub on the new estate where Amazon et al are.
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"Misery" is a local news stock phrase, usually meaning "mild inconvenience".
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Big L wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 19:36 "Misery" is a local news stock phrase, usually meaning "mild inconvenience".
MISERY and CHAOS as road that never existed previously still doesn't exist.
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