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botched road markings

Post by bradán » Sat Oct 22, 2016 22:43

now that we've had a botched signs and junctions thread lets have one for road markings

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Post by MotorwayGuy » Sun Oct 23, 2016 02:33

Good old Eastern Way is usually a good place to start!

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Post by Beardy5632 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 08:13

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Post by RichardA626 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:16

The Portwood Roundabout M60 J27 can be tricky to use even with gantries repeating the painted on markings, if traffic is heavy & you are behind a tall vehicle, as I found out having to use it to go a direction I couldn't go before due to roadworks.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by Pendlemac » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:14

Beardy5632 wrote:The A49 in Much Birch.
Go here and you will see exactly why the person from the council said they were unfinished!

( Link is Streetview image from location of photo showing markings in place in August 2015, before the road was resurfaced. )

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Richard_Fairhurst » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:58

Worcester. "The markings say this is a bike lane, the sign says it's a one-way street, so I'll just ride up here... *blam*"
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Post by Arcuarius » Mon Oct 24, 2016 13:35

Richard_Fairhurst wrote:Worcester. "The markings say this is a bike lane, the sign says it's a one-way street, so I'll just ride up here... *blam*"
That's correct though, as it's showing a contraflow cycle/bus lane. The sign (presuming you mean the one attached to the signal head) means "ahead only", not "one way street".

I'd be more worried at the signal head showing red and green together :lol:
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Re: botched road markings

Post by drm567 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 19:59

StormA420 wrote:[
That's correct though, as it's showing a contraflow cycle/bus lane. The sign (presuming you mean the one attached to the signal head) means "ahead only", not "one way street".
But isn't the bus lane road marking upside down then?
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Post by Pendlemac » Mon Oct 24, 2016 22:49

drm567 wrote:
StormA420 wrote:[
That's correct though, as it's showing a contraflow cycle/bus lane. The sign (presuming you mean the one attached to the signal head) means "ahead only", not "one way street".
But isn't the bus lane road marking upside down then?
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The marking is there to discourage cars from going the wrong way up it. It's probably needed as some of those cars have been using the right-hand lane on the one of the streets leading to those lights.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Fenlander » Mon Oct 24, 2016 23:37

Not entirely sure if this is a botch or a good attempt at a fix but... Traffic light controlled T junction with left and right turn lanes out of the minor road, junction is rebuilt with a larger central island so there's no longer enough room to mark both lanes at the stop line so the powers that be have decided there's no longer 2 lanes. Thing is people are used to there being 2 lanes so they're still lining up 2 by 2 and then getting very claustrophobic as they get to the stop line and the narrower gap due to the wider pedestrian island, this has caused quite a lot of confusion (as the approach to the junction is more than wide enough). Awkward sods like me who are aware that it's no longer 2 lanes line up in the middle but that means fewer cars get through each green cycle. Today the council have now marked a cycle box at the stop line and a filter lane for it to the left, effectively narrowing the remaining space to 1 lane.

I'm not sure if it's a genius move to solve the mysterious disappearing 2nd lane or a bodge that could have been avoided if they'd not bothered to widen the pedestrian island in the first place, which is only a few inches wider than it was.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Owain » Tue Oct 25, 2016 00:28

Derry has some weird roundabout markings, so it does.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by Arcuarius » Tue Oct 25, 2016 09:21

Pendlemac wrote:
drm567 wrote:
StormA420 wrote:[
That's correct though, as it's showing a contraflow cycle/bus lane. The sign (presuming you mean the one attached to the signal head) means "ahead only", not "one way street".
But isn't the bus lane road marking upside down then?
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The marking is there to discourage cars from going the wrong way up it. It's probably needed as some of those cars have been using the right-hand lane on the one of the streets leading to those lights.
Indeed. There's an example in Chapter 5 of the Traffic Signs Manual, Figure 17-2.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by drm567 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:29

StormA420 wrote:
Pendlemac wrote:
drm567 wrote: But isn't the bus lane road marking upside down then?
David
The marking is there to discourage cars from going the wrong way up it. It's probably needed as some of those cars have been using the right-hand lane on the one of the streets leading to those lights.
Indeed. There's an example in Chapter 5 of the Traffic Signs Manual, Figure 17-2.
Point taken, but as most cyclists won't have a knowledge or understanding of traffic signs I reckon there's a good chance that they will interpret the cycle road marking as an invitation to use that lane.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Richard_Fairhurst » Tue Oct 25, 2016 13:29

Yep, especially given that with- and contra- flow bike lanes on the opposite side of the road aren't uncommon (e.g. the original Tavistock Place layout). I don't think it's particularly clear that this isn't one of them.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by tom1977 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 16:35

I always like this one on the M40 southbound exit at Junction 15. Why bother using the free flow left turn lane to head for Coventry when you can wait at the traffic lights?

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Piatkow » Tue Oct 25, 2016 21:59

Point taken, but as most cyclists won't have a knowledge or understanding of traffic signs I reckon there's a good chance that they will interpret the cycle road marking as an invitation to use that lane.
As a layman with a mere 47 years driving experience that is just how I would have interpreted it. The signage is there for the public not for the traffic engineers.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Bryn666 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:33

I always got around that issue by putting an arrow with the text...
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Re: botched road markings

Post by Reading » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:50

Not sure if this counts https://goo.gl/maps/Axy61BbJuN72 surely a vehicle can move right over the dotted line where the lorry is into the space in front of the stop line for the light (many cycles do and th eodd lost car) - shouldn't it be solid White lines up to the island ?

And here is another contra flow cycle gate (or not) - leads them into a road that is not 1 way but might as well be with no room or markings for 2 lanes after a few meters and with all cars facing towards you https://goo.gl/maps/soB6V3sABmK2 plus if it is an "in" cycle gate why the "give way" lines and sign ? So is it fact a 2 way in one lane cycle gate ?

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Owain » Tue Jun 13, 2017 00:07

Is this the biggest Keep Clear area in the country?
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Re: botched road markings

Post by ellandback » Tue Jun 13, 2017 08:36

As previously noted in the other thread.

I suppose technically this isn't wrong, as you would use this lane for the A653, if you wanted to go all the way up to M621 j1, turn off and then right at the roundabout and down the ring road for a few miles until you get to it ... but pretty sure it was meant to say A650.

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