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I must say I enjoyed my guessing game here on Saturday. Brought to you by the same roads department that gave us the (nearby) B38/B381 nonsense.
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Re: botched road markings
Drivers turning around after they have missed the TOTSO for the A40 at Raglan, it's the first opportunity
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Oof - quite an overshoot! Makes perfect sense though.
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Lancashire used to do similar.
Interestingly in the 70s the London end of the M1 also had similar markings for merges.
Interestingly in the 70s the London end of the M1 also had similar markings for merges.
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Re: botched road markings
That's not botched, just not maintained properly. It's one thing that does irritate me about the trend for changing road markings by overpainting them with black paint - the black paint wears away first, revealing the "deleted" markings! It's quite possible to remove road markings properly - I've seen a big torch used to burn them off. But really it should be resurfaced, especially on a major road like this.
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It's a temporary covid scheme - hence the reluctance to burn off markings. The same has been done in Bolton and it looks the same mess. This is why temporary road markings should be orange (the majority of Europe uses yellow but we need to reserve that for TROs).SteelCamel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:59That's not botched, just not maintained properly. It's one thing that does irritate me about the trend for changing road markings by overpainting them with black paint - the black paint wears away first, revealing the "deleted" markings! It's quite possible to remove road markings properly - I've seen a big torch used to burn them off. But really it should be resurfaced, especially on a major road like this.
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OK, fair enough - but in that case they need to make sure they regularly top up the black paint.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 13:05 It's a temporary covid scheme - hence the reluctance to burn off markings. The same has been done in Bolton and it looks the same mess. This is why temporary road markings should be orange as they are in ROI (the majority of Europe uses yellow but we need to reserve that for TROs).
It looks to me like it's one of those things that's "temporary" so doesn't need to be done to a high standard, but the "temporary" becomes "semi-permanent" or even "permanent" and we get stuck with a mess.
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Abroad they don't remove the white markings - you just know to follow the yellow ones. Saves masking out and causing confusion. It looks a bit rubbish but it works well.SteelCamel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 13:11OK, fair enough - but in that case they need to make sure they regularly top up the black paint.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 13:05 It's a temporary covid scheme - hence the reluctance to burn off markings. The same has been done in Bolton and it looks the same mess. This is why temporary road markings should be orange as they are in ROI (the majority of Europe uses yellow but we need to reserve that for TROs).
It looks to me like it's one of those things that's "temporary" so doesn't need to be done to a high standard, but the "temporary" becomes "semi-permanent" or even "permanent" and we get stuck with a mess.
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I suppose what's slightly bizarre here is why there's so much red tape that an entirely reasonable scheme to slightly alter lane widths to a layout which looks totally OK for a 30mph road has to be done in a temporary way.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 13:05It's a temporary covid scheme - hence the reluctance to burn off markings. The same has been done in Bolton and it looks the same mess. This is why temporary road markings should be orange (the majority of Europe uses yellow but we need to reserve that for TROs).SteelCamel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:59That's not botched, just not maintained properly. It's one thing that does irritate me about the trend for changing road markings by overpainting them with black paint - the black paint wears away first, revealing the "deleted" markings! It's quite possible to remove road markings properly - I've seen a big torch used to burn them off. But really it should be resurfaced, especially on a major road like this.
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I agree, just changing the road markings permanently would have made zero difference other than to provide a wider bus lane for cycling in.jnty wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 13:20I suppose what's slightly bizarre here is why there's so much red tape that an entirely reasonable scheme to slightly alter lane widths to a layout which looks totally OK for a 30mph road has to be done in a temporary way.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 13:05It's a temporary covid scheme - hence the reluctance to burn off markings. The same has been done in Bolton and it looks the same mess. This is why temporary road markings should be orange (the majority of Europe uses yellow but we need to reserve that for TROs).SteelCamel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:59
That's not botched, just not maintained properly. It's one thing that does irritate me about the trend for changing road markings by overpainting them with black paint - the black paint wears away first, revealing the "deleted" markings! It's quite possible to remove road markings properly - I've seen a big torch used to burn them off. But really it should be resurfaced, especially on a major road like this.
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Local accident blackspot.
https://goo.gl/maps/b8hf1n3Jcdv4eiym6
I'd forgotten how screwed up it is until I came out of the B1373 with a friend in the passenger seat who's not local.
https://goo.gl/maps/b8hf1n3Jcdv4eiym6
I'd forgotten how screwed up it is until I came out of the B1373 with a friend in the passenger seat who's not local.
Been everywhere... can't remember any of it
Was fun though
Was fun though
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That's just awful design!BeenEverywhere wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 18:07 Local accident blackspot.
https://goo.gl/maps/b8hf1n3Jcdv4eiym6
I'd forgotten how screwed up it is until I came out of the B1373 with a friend in the passenger seat who's not local.
There's enough road space there to put in a small roundabout. Or islands to force traffic to slow down.
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I'm surprised it's not a TOTSOtom66 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 08:35That's just awful design!BeenEverywhere wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 18:07 Local accident blackspot.
https://goo.gl/maps/b8hf1n3Jcdv4eiym6
I'd forgotten how screwed up it is until I came out of the B1373 with a friend in the passenger seat who's not local.
There's enough road space there to put in a small roundabout. Or islands to force traffic to slow down.
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It's the complete no man's land between the back of the bend and the give way lines that gets me. It's like they asked "What could we put here that makes sense?" "Utterly nothing" "OK then!"
Been everywhere... can't remember any of it
Was fun though
Was fun though
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.88980 ... 384!8i8192
Hmm, Two lane approaches, but only room for 1 vehicle around the mini roundabout. This is awful. Also centre zigzag for zebra crossing is missing.
Hmm, Two lane approaches, but only room for 1 vehicle around the mini roundabout. This is awful. Also centre zigzag for zebra crossing is missing.
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Similar to this; https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8597726 ... 2!1b1!2i41jervi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 23:39 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.88980 ... 384!8i8192
Hmm, Two lane approaches, but only room for 1 vehicle around the mini roundabout. This is awful. Also centre zigzag for zebra crossing is missing.
If anything larger than a Corsa tries to use that right for the garage, traffic backs up quickly...
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https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9765344 ... 384!8i8192
Here we see, towards the lights, a road with a Keep Clear section, followed by a gap long enough only for a Peel P50, followed by an cycle box.
The problem is, if the amber lights are shown just as a motorist is about to hit the Keep Clear section, they have to make a decision: emergency stop to avoid illegally stopping in one of the areas mentioned, or taking a chance and hoping that the green light will last long enough for them to clear the junction. Personally I think something has to be given up here.
Here we see, towards the lights, a road with a Keep Clear section, followed by a gap long enough only for a Peel P50, followed by an cycle box.
The problem is, if the amber lights are shown just as a motorist is about to hit the Keep Clear section, they have to make a decision: emergency stop to avoid illegally stopping in one of the areas mentioned, or taking a chance and hoping that the green light will last long enough for them to clear the junction. Personally I think something has to be given up here.
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I don't think it's strictly illegal to stop in a Keep Clear which is probably why they've been painted as such. But I do think things like this so close to lights are a bit silly and reduce cm faith in other examples of the same marking.Patrick Harper wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 21:27 https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9765344 ... 384!8i8192
Here we see, towards the lights, a road with a Keep Clear section, followed by a gap long enough only for a Peel P50, followed by an cycle box.
The problem is, if the amber lights are shown just as a motorist is about to hit the Keep Clear section, they have to make a decision: emergency stop to avoid illegally stopping in one of the areas mentioned, or taking a chance and hoping that the green light will last long enough for them to clear the junction. Personally I think something has to be given up here.