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Re: botched road markings

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Chris5156 wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 09:29 Not sure we've had this one before.

The road here was designed as D3 with a normal sliproad exit. It was later re-marked as D3 on the approach with a lane drop, and D2 through the junction.

The latest iteration now has:
D2 on the approach, with the former right hand lane hatched out
A normal exit to the sliproad from lane 1
Lane 1 ending and simultaneously a new lane 3 opening, so both through lanes have to move right

Whose idea was this absolute car crash?

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Re: botched road markings

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c2R wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 08:51
Chris5156 wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 09:29 Not sure we've had this one before.

The road here was designed as D3 with a normal sliproad exit. It was later re-marked as D3 on the approach with a lane drop, and D2 through the junction.

The latest iteration now has:
D2 on the approach, with the former right hand lane hatched out
A normal exit to the sliproad from lane 1
Lane 1 ending and simultaneously a new lane 3 opening, so both through lanes have to move right

Whose idea was this absolute car crash?

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Re: botched road markings

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Just been reading the following article, Anlaby Road in Hull has had some extremely strange road markings painted on a pedestrian crossing and a footpath. The article offers no explanation as to the reason why from the council. One commentator likens the markings to a "turbo boost from Sonic the Hedgehog":
Screenshot_20211011-061241_Facebook.jpg
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Link to article: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... gs-6039769
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Re: botched road markings

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delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 06:20 Just been reading the following article, Anlaby Road in Hull has had some extremely strange road markings painted on a pedestrian crossing and a footpath. The article offers no explanation as to the reason why from the council. One commentator likens the markings to a "turbo boost from Sonic the Hedgehog":

Screenshot_20211011-061241_Facebook.jpg


Screenshot_20211011-061307_Facebook.jpg

Link to article: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... gs-6039769
There's a follow up article today with an explanation from Hull CC.. turns out it's the first "nudge crossing" in the UK apparently!

"Hull City Council stated the yellow and white arrow markings on Anlaby Road and part of its pavement were a 'nudge crossing', the first of its kind in the country.

The crossing is designed to improve safety by encouraging pedestrians to use crossings properly, including with arrows pointing the correct direction to walk in.

Council Highways portfolio holder Cllr Dean Kirk said the crossing would play a "crucial" role in avoiding pedestrian injuries in Anlaby Road.

The installing of the new crossing comes ahead of a second, set to be painted in Market Place later this week, with both fitted as part of an ongoing trial."

The article later says the trial is to run for the next 2 weeks before the markings are removed.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... io-6043791
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c2R wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 08:51
Chris5156 wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 09:29 Not sure we've had this one before.

The road here was designed as D3 with a normal sliproad exit. It was later re-marked as D3 on the approach with a lane drop, and D2 through the junction.

The latest iteration now has:
D2 on the approach, with the former right hand lane hatched out
A normal exit to the sliproad from lane 1
Lane 1 ending and simultaneously a new lane 3 opening, so both through lanes have to move right

Whose idea was this absolute car crash?

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delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 20:12
delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 06:20 Just been reading the following article, Anlaby Road in Hull has had some extremely strange road markings painted on a pedestrian crossing and a footpath. The article offers no explanation as to the reason why from the council. One commentator likens the markings to a "turbo boost from Sonic the Hedgehog":

Screenshot_20211011-061241_Facebook.jpg


Screenshot_20211011-061307_Facebook.jpg

Link to article: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... gs-6039769
There's a follow up article today with an explanation from Hull CC.. turns out it's the first "nudge crossing" in the UK apparently!

"Hull City Council stated the yellow and white arrow markings on Anlaby Road and part of its pavement were a 'nudge crossing', the first of its kind in the country.

The crossing is designed to improve safety by encouraging pedestrians to use crossings properly, including with arrows pointing the correct direction to walk in.

Council Highways portfolio holder Cllr Dean Kirk said the crossing would play a "crucial" role in avoiding pedestrian injuries in Anlaby Road.

The installing of the new crossing comes ahead of a second, set to be painted in Market Place later this week, with both fitted as part of an ongoing trial."

The article later says the trial is to run for the next 2 weeks before the markings are removed.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... io-6043791
Did they try designing the street to account for the volumes and natural behaviour of the people who use it or did they just jump immediately to brightly coloured vinyl? Perhaps if they're looking to waste more money on non-solutions they could employ someone to point and tut at anyone who ignores the special shiny safety arrows. (Though I'm sure if they don't plenty of people will do their bit and volunteer.)

I'm particular curious about the safety benefit of 'one-way' pavement arrows - have they been seeing lots of KSIs from head-on pedestrian collisions?
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Did they try designing the street to account for the volumes and natural behaviour of the people who use it or did they just jump immediately to brightly coloured vinyl? Perhaps if they're looking to waste more money on non-solutions they could employ someone to point and tut at anyone who ignores the special shiny safety arrows. (Though I'm sure if they don't plenty of people will do their bit and volunteer.)

I'm particular curious about the safety benefit of 'one-way' pavement arrows - have they been seeing lots of KSIs from head-on pedestrian collisions?
It really does look pathetic.. and reading an article on these crossings in the Yorkshire Post that just popped up, apparently this trial is costing £200k!
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delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 20:12
delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 06:20 Just been reading the following article, Anlaby Road in Hull has had some extremely strange road markings painted on a pedestrian crossing and a footpath. The article offers no explanation as to the reason why from the council. One commentator likens the markings to a "turbo boost from Sonic the Hedgehog":

Screenshot_20211011-061241_Facebook.jpg


Screenshot_20211011-061307_Facebook.jpg

Link to article: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... gs-6039769
There's a follow up article today with an explanation from Hull CC.. turns out it's the first "nudge crossing" in the UK apparently!

"Hull City Council stated the yellow and white arrow markings on Anlaby Road and part of its pavement were a 'nudge crossing', the first of its kind in the country.

The crossing is designed to improve safety by encouraging pedestrians to use crossings properly, including with arrows pointing the correct direction to walk in.

Council Highways portfolio holder Cllr Dean Kirk said the crossing would play a "crucial" role in avoiding pedestrian injuries in Anlaby Road.

The installing of the new crossing comes ahead of a second, set to be painted in Market Place later this week, with both fitted as part of an ongoing trial."

The article later says the trial is to run for the next 2 weeks before the markings are removed.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... io-6043791
This comes in the same week as a really interesting thread on Twitter about how guide dogs struggle with non-standard crossing designs and pavement markings. In highway engineering, standardisation using proven techniques is generally safer than weird one-offs.
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Chris5156 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 21:35
delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 20:12
delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 06:20 Just been reading the following article, Anlaby Road in Hull has had some extremely strange road markings painted on a pedestrian crossing and a footpath. The article offers no explanation as to the reason why from the council. One commentator likens the markings to a "turbo boost from Sonic the Hedgehog":

Screenshot_20211011-061241_Facebook.jpg


Screenshot_20211011-061307_Facebook.jpg

Link to article: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... gs-6039769
There's a follow up article today with an explanation from Hull CC.. turns out it's the first "nudge crossing" in the UK apparently!

"Hull City Council stated the yellow and white arrow markings on Anlaby Road and part of its pavement were a 'nudge crossing', the first of its kind in the country.

The crossing is designed to improve safety by encouraging pedestrians to use crossings properly, including with arrows pointing the correct direction to walk in.

Council Highways portfolio holder Cllr Dean Kirk said the crossing would play a "crucial" role in avoiding pedestrian injuries in Anlaby Road.

The installing of the new crossing comes ahead of a second, set to be painted in Market Place later this week, with both fitted as part of an ongoing trial."

The article later says the trial is to run for the next 2 weeks before the markings are removed.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... io-6043791
This comes in the same week as a really interesting thread on Twitter about how guide dogs struggle with non-standard crossing designs and pavement markings. In highway engineering, standardisation using proven techniques is generally safer than weird one-offs.
Looks like more "innovation" drivel from the minds that brought us 3D crossings and other paint monstrosities.
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Another ridiculous nudge crossing painted in Hull today:
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And a BBC news clip:
https://www.facebook.com/11845056490923 ... 014668875/
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delinquentwoody wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 21:15 Another ridiculous nudge crossing painted in Hull today:

245211845_10208360880936559_1400191897710770660_n.jpg

And a BBC news clip:
https://www.facebook.com/11845056490923 ... 014668875/
That has to be a ****-take, surely?
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I would like to nominate every single road that has road markings that have faded to the point of near-invisibility.
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delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 06:20 Screenshot_20211011-061241_Facebook.jpg
Any idea why the crossing has people walking on the right, rather than the left which is the norm in the UK?
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Following on from the M48 thread and references to the A48 through Chepstow, I've always thought it crazy to have two "straight-on" lanes leading into this bottleneck.... especially when the congestion of traffic coming into the town causes people coming the other way to use the wrong side of the road in an attempt to jump the queue or take the filter lane to turn in by the church!
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DanT97 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:37 I would like to nominate every single road that has road markings that have faded to the point of near-invisibility.
Amen...

I'd also like to nominate every usage of white "Keep Clear" text when a yellow box would be more appropriate...

For example... when an existing crossing is staggered, for reasons unknown, but the original is also kept:
https://goo.gl/maps/TntDPMLDvPUKELJe6

Because the "Keep Clear" was ignored, so a (non-standard?) yellow sign is added... and note the warning sign for the fire-station flashing lights is before the crossing traffic lights, just to confuse?

But the other way it's as bad... the yellow box for the fire station is immediately followed by a white text "Keep Clear"
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Micro The Maniac wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:44
DanT97 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:37 I would like to nominate every single road that has road markings that have faded to the point of near-invisibility.
Amen...

I'd also like to nominate every usage of white "Keep Clear" text when a yellow box would be more appropriate...

For example... when an existing crossing is staggered, for reasons unknown, but the original is also kept:
https://goo.gl/maps/TntDPMLDvPUKELJe6

Because the "Keep Clear" was ignored, so a (non-standard?) yellow sign is added... and note the warning sign for the fire-station flashing lights is before the crossing traffic lights, just to confuse?

But the other way it's as bad... the yellow box for the fire station is immediately followed by a white text "Keep Clear"
In an ideal world we wouldn't need yellow boxes or keep clear messages. People would be intelligent and courteous enough not to block junctions in the first place.
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Big L wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:54 In an ideal world we wouldn't need yellow boxes or keep clear messages. People would be intelligent and courteous enough not to block junctions in the first place.
See also "Merge in turn"
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A180(T) wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 21:51
delinquentwoody wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 06:20 Screenshot_20211011-061241_Facebook.jpg
Any idea why the crossing has people walking on the right, rather than the left which is the norm in the UK?
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Something doesn't seem quite right here...
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Big L wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:54
In an ideal world we wouldn't need yellow boxes or keep clear messages. People would be intelligent and courteous enough not to block junctions in the first place.
One of my many changes would be to introduce definitive "entry" and "exit" lines on all junctions and impose yellow box rules between them.
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