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This in Hertford: https://goo.gl/maps/m5S7JevgVik

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A tweet from CBRD caused me to look at Birchley Island, which has a very disconcerting entrance, where the problem is the complete lack of markings.

What it wants you to do is very clear, but keeping to the right of the traffic island is not instinctive, and a few painted arrows or lines would be nice.
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Johnathan404 wrote:A tweet from CBRD caused me to look at Birchley Island, which has a very disconcerting entrance, where the problem is the complete lack of markings.

What it wants you to do is very clear, but keeping to the right of the traffic island is not instinctive, and a few painted arrows or lines would be nice.
Turn 180 degrees. This isn't exactly a public entrance to the roundabout.
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Truvelo wrote:This is how it should be done.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.38304 ... 312!8i6656

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I've whinged about it before and I'm going to again - this sodding roundabout: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.54297 ... 6656?hl=en

Lanes are signed correctly as you'd expect for a 2 laner. But when you get on you realise that in order to "enter" the roundabout, you actually have to cross into the lane that technically, if you're obeying the road paint, was right lane approach.

What actually ends up happening (because no-one in their right mind thinks that anything but 1st exit requires right lane) is huge queues develop at peak times because it's very hard to get on. When you do get on, to take 2nd people just cut in here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.54296 ... 6656?hl=en

No-one's bothered about it except for the dire congestion but the design of this roundabout is pants. It's like it all the way round and the tailbacks are so large they lead back onto the left lane of the A666 at peak time :roll:

The solution is simple: either paint it like a roundabout should be or don't make the left lane arrows fecking left AND straight ahead when the "straight ahead" route involves cutting into a lane!
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One that I think may have been mentioned before but annoys me every time I use it is on the A62 as it goes under the M62/M621 albeit I'm not sure if it's a botched sign or a botched road marking? The sign here] says to get into the left hand lane for the M621 to Leeds & A650 to Wakefield & Morley however if you follow the lane markings up to where it widens to three lanes here it implication is traffic for those two destinations should have been in the right hand lane as that's the one which opens out! I've seen plenty of last minute lane changes here and horns blown as for want of a small bit of paint...
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Reading wrote:Not sure if this counts https://goo.gl/maps/Axy61BbJuN72 surely a vehicle can move right over the dotted line where the lorry is into the space in front of the stop line for the light (many cycles do and th eodd lost car) - shouldn't it be solid White lines up to the island ?

And here is another contra flow cycle gate (or not) - leads them into a road that is not 1 way but might as well be with no room or markings for 2 lanes after a few meters and with all cars facing towards you https://goo.gl/maps/soB6V3sABmK2 plus if it is an "in" cycle gate why the "give way" lines and sign ? So is it fact a 2 way in one lane cycle gate ?
The first one the mistake isn't there but if you are in the bus/cycle lane coming out of town there isn't a break in the sold white line for you to cross over the Wokingham Road bus lane. I cycle that regularly to and from work and the area in front is good , but an advanced cycle box would be advantageous.

The second one , I cant believe I haven't seen that as I cycle past that three times a week, for probably 9 of the last 10 years
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checked just now and there is definitely a gap to allow you to cross from the left outbound A4 lane into the right A329 lane in front of the stop line. The reason you can get from outbound bus/cycle/MOTORCYCLE kings rd to wokingham rd via the keep clear is because I asked for it in the original consultation period at the end of the trail traffic order, since then they have moved the end of the traffic island back (look at historical streetview) That is a dotted centre line/s not a solid line. Tried to report the Wykeham rd one to RBC and they see no issue with it
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Arrows should be in the overtaking lane, surely? Not between the lines, in this context.
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Assuming that's a dual carriageway, it's wrong. Curved arrows between the lines mean "get back to your own side of this single carriageway road", typically because you're about to enter an area where overtaking is dangerous.
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ais523 wrote:Assuming that's a dual carriageway, it's wrong. Curved arrows between the lines mean "get back to your own side of this single carriageway road", typically because you're about to enter an area where overtaking is dangerous.
It's a slip road, but still wrong for the reason you describe.
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Owain wrote:
ais523 wrote:Assuming that's a dual carriageway, it's wrong. Curved arrows between the lines mean "get back to your own side of this single carriageway road", typically because you're about to enter an area where overtaking is dangerous.
It's a slip road, but still wrong for the reason you describe.
It seems to be a Yorkshire special that as I've got a hazy memory that I've seen it in other places.

One could ask what the point of the two lane on slip there is as there's heck all merging space before the tunnel.
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Potential confusion here.

I can see what they've tried to do. The left-hand lane is straight on. The right-hand lane offers traffic the chance to turn soft right, or turn hard right, but I guess the arrows for the latter don't really exist so they've gone with straight on or right.

Either way, the right-hand lane does not offer the chance to drive straight on, no matter what the arrow suggests.
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A road near me has just been resurfaced, and I've been watching with interest to see what they do about the dodgy markings:

- for starters, check out the markings over this speed hump. I don't remember seeing anything like that central line in The Highway Code.

- the side markings are weird too. Clearly the authorities don't want parents to park their cars all over the place during school drop-off and pick-up times. But why not put the yellow zig-zags down both sides of the road? Or replace the 'Keep Clear' white line with a single or double yellow?

The newly re-surfaced road has been painted exactly the same as these old images from GSV.
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Achmelvic wrote:One that I think may have been mentioned before but annoys me every time I use it is on the A62 as it goes under the M62/M621 albeit I'm not sure if it's a botched sign or a botched road marking? The sign here] says to get into the left hand lane for the M621 to Leeds & A650 to Wakefield & Morley however if you follow the lane markings up to where it widens to three lanes here it implication is traffic for those two destinations should have been in the right hand lane as that's the one which opens out! I've seen plenty of last minute lane changes here and horns blown as for want of a small bit of paint...
That's incorrect signage. The junction was rebuilt within the last 10 years: both roundabouts were signalised and the northern roundabout was 'hamburgerised', allowing through traffic on the A62 to bypass it. The first sign would have been correct before the rebuild, but now the layout has changed it's no longer accurate.
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I'm not sure that's where the apostrophe goes...
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