botched road markings

[AlexBr967]

This seems botched. The traffic lights seem to be phased so that the vehicle paths don't conflict. Even if they were timed correctly for this marking you would still have the issue of 2 lanes going into 1 lane.

[the cheesecake man]

Here we see, towards the lights, a road with a Keep Clear section, followed by a gap long enough only for a Peel P50, followed by an cycle box.

It's bigger than this gap between the yellow box and the cycle box.

[jnty]

Here we see, towards the lights, a road with a Keep Clear section, followed by a gap long enough only for a Peel P50, followed by an cycle box.

It's bigger than this gap between the yellow box and the cycle box.

This came up a few pages ago - some bad examples from Edinburgh:

I guess you'll have to go around the roundabout again if the lights change to red when you are in this yellow box.

It's OK, Edinburgh drivers are quite used to such things.

And an extra one from just down the road - not so bad, but a bit silly on a road which is now bus gated.

[WhiteBlueRed]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.44954 ... 8192?hl=en
An unnecessary Give Way line, where 2 lanes converge into a 2-lane road.

[jabbaboy]

Here we see, towards the lights, a road with a Keep Clear section, followed by a gap long enough only for a Peel P50, followed by an cycle box.

It's bigger than this gap between the yellow box and the cycle box.

This came up a few pages ago - some bad examples from Edinburgh:

I guess you'll have to go around the roundabout again if the lights change to red when you are in this yellow box.

It's OK, Edinburgh drivers are quite used to such things.

And an extra one from just down the road - not so bad, but a bit silly on a road which is now bus gated.

Could be worse - https://goo.gl/maps/7ZekBf22XqgAAPPz5. Not enough space and keeps nothing clear unless someone fancies driving straight through a barrier.

Then there's this around the corner which is a good idea in principal but very wrong - https://goo.gl/maps/RBBLK7qqMD8pG89YA. It doesn't help that cars usually ignore it and buses use it (wrongly) anyway and sticks out over lane 2. The bus stop really needs moving though especially for buses turning right.

[swissferry]

I presume double double white lines aren't correct?

[Owain]

I presume double double white lines aren't correct?

Probably not, but they have become used increasingly on hatching to try to stop people using filter lanes as overtaking lanes.

[swissferry]

Extra white lines between lanes 1 and 2.

[Dougman]

I presume double double white lines aren't correct?

Nope. There are examples in chapter 5 of the traffic signs manual, it can't be that hard to get it right!

[Nathan_A_RF]

Local accident blackspot.

https://goo.gl/maps/b8hf1n3Jcdv4eiym6

I'd forgotten how screwed up it is until I came out of the B1373 with a friend in the passenger seat who's not local.

Looks like a local has erected their own sign with car trimmings attached to it!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.88980 ... 384!8i8192
Hmm, Two lane approaches, but only room for 1 vehicle around the mini roundabout. This is awful. Also centre zigzag for zebra crossing is missing.

Similar here in Southampton, no room for two vehicles using the roundabout correctly

[BeenEverywhere]

Local landowner (I rent a workshop off her), she's been campaigning for a long time for the junction to be sorted out. When I'm saying it's a blackspot, I'm not exaggerating.

[Owain]

Local accident blackspot.

https://goo.gl/maps/b8hf1n3Jcdv4eiym6

I'd forgotten how screwed up it is until I came out of the B1373 with a friend in the passenger seat who's not local.

Looks like a local has erected their own sign with car trimmings attached to it!

Makes a change from "Happy 40th birthday *INSERT NAME HERE*" with balloons and ribbons attached to it.

[WhiteBlueRed]

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.03803,- ... 384!8i8192
Regular Give Way lines at a pedestrian crossing in a car park.

[WhiteBlueRed]

Not really a botch, but this is an interesting junction.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0769243 ... a=!3m1!1e3
For some reason, right turners are accommodated through what otherwise would be the filter lane.

[pjr10th]

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.03803,- ... 384!8i8192
Regular Give Way lines at a pedestrian crossing in a car park.

Cheap way to avoid a zebra crossing, with no legal meaning, as you don't have to give way to pedestrians crossing at a give way unless you are turning.

[pjr10th]

Not really a botch, but this is an interesting junction.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0769243 ... a=!3m1!1e3
For some reason, right turners are accommodated through what otherwise would be the filter lane.

This is presumably so right turnings out of the road don't need to contend with those turning into the road. Still unnecessary over engineering. Could just ban right turns off the main road if there's really a problem with people getting out

[ais523]

It's a temporary covid scheme - hence the reluctance to burn off markings. The same has been done in Bolton and it looks the same mess. This is why temporary road markings should be orange (the majority of Europe uses yellow but we need to reserve that for TROs).

I suppose what's slightly bizarre here is why there's so much red tape that an entirely reasonable scheme to slightly alter lane widths to a layout which looks totally OK for a 30mph road has to be done in a temporary way.

I agree, just changing the road markings permanently would have made zero difference other than to provide a wider bus lane for cycling in.

There was an apparently permanent change made nearby on the A38 (the section from Northfield towards Selly Oak) that's very similar – the bus/cycle lane was widened and the non-bus lane narrowed, apparently to give enough room for cyclists to overtake stopped buses whilst remaining within the bus lane. That was an apparently permanent change, though (and IIRC happened pre-Covid so can't be Covid-related). As such, I'd kind-of expect the same change at the top of the hill to be permanent too; maybe that was the aspiration but it got caught up on something.

[WhiteBlueRed]

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3772031 ... 8192?hl=ru
Two roads, and both of them have "give way" lines. It seems the only person with priority in this case would be the cyclist coming from the right.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3802534 ... 8192?hl=ru
Similar situation.

[Owain]

Two roads, and both of them have "give way" lines. It seems the only person with priority in this case would be the cyclist coming from the right.

I've seen confusing configurations like that in a number of places, but for the life of me I cannot remember where a single one of them is ...

[SteelCamel]

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3772031 ... 8192?hl=ru
Two roads, and both of them have "give way" lines. It seems the only person with priority in this case would be the cyclist coming from the right.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3802534 ... 8192?hl=ru
Similar situation.

It looks like they're trying to do a mini-roundabout, badly. It seems the intention is that traffic from the right has priority over the side road, but traffic coming out of the side road has priority over traffic from the left. But stops short of full "give way to the right", as traffic turning right into the side road doesn't have priority over oncoming traffic as it would with a real mini-roundabout.