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TS wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 21:49 How about this for a two-in-one?! A mightily confusing STOP at the stop line of traffic lights, and give way markings at another!

I myself was confused by the give way markings as I exited the shops' service road, ahead. I wondered how I was going to manoeuvre to the stop line of the lights just in front of us, before I noticed that I too was governed by a separate traffic light.

I can also imagine someone arriving here, seeing STOP, assuming it was stop-sign regulations and not then see the traffic light.

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It's at the road down to Blackwater Station off the A30.
In the 2019 GSV image, the STOP seems to have worn off (along with the stop line!). Is your image older or has it actually been redone with the STOP lettering?
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FleetlinePhil wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:47
TS wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 21:49 How about this for a two-in-one?! A mightily confusing STOP at the stop line of traffic lights, and give way markings at another!

I myself was confused by the give way markings as I exited the shops' service road, ahead. I wondered how I was going to manoeuvre to the stop line of the lights just in front of us, before I noticed that I too was governed by a separate traffic light.

I can also imagine someone arriving here, seeing STOP, assuming it was stop-sign regulations and not then see the traffic light.

20200913_141424.jpg

It's at the road down to Blackwater Station off the A30.
In the 2019 GSV image, the STOP seems to have worn off (along with the stop line!). Is your image older or has it actually been redone with the STOP lettering?
It's been redone - my photo was taken on Sunday morning!
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Chris Bertram wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:29
TS wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:20 I'm not sure if this is exactly botched, but what could be the reason for this short stretch of double yellow lines? They are unsignposted.

I mean, they do cover a driveway (and a few feet to one side of it) but it doesn't seem particularly different from any of the other driveways hereabouts.

Any thoughts?

https://goo.gl/maps/CXdaCNnvJWtKFkud7
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I would have assumed a disabled person lives, or lived, at that property.

The right transverse mark looks to be painted over a white marking, with the outer yellow line being thicker also less broken up. So possibly there used to be an H-bar that was being ignored, and so it was replaced by yellow lines to make it enforceable.

https://goo.gl/maps/Ls1nocaGqtHPTMro6
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someone wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 15:56 I would have assumed a disabled person lives, or lived, at that property.

The right transverse mark looks to be painted over a white marking, with the outer yellow line being thicker also less broken up. So possibly there used to be an H-bar that was being ignored, and so it was replaced by yellow lines to make it enforceable.

https://goo.gl/maps/Ls1nocaGqtHPTMro6
It looks like it was white in the 2015 image but perhaps that is just the quality of the Google image:

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.7486306 ... 312!8i6656
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Jonathan24 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 20:30It looks like it was white in the 2015 image but perhaps that is just the quality of the Google image:
Aye, so much for that theory! And no blue badge in the parked car either.
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someone wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:35
Jonathan24 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 20:30It looks like it was white in the 2015 image but perhaps that is just the quality of the Google image:
Aye, so much for that theory! And no blue badge in the parked car either.
Hmm, an interesting thought that I had't thought of, even though it has perhaps been debunked!

But surely, anyway, a marking for a disabled driver would not go across a driveway, would it? A place would surely be reserved between driveways?
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Not exactly akin with the examples above. However it is strange, that nearly 30 years since traffic heading clockwise on the M25/A282 was switched to the QE2 Bridge, the markings on the M11 n/b exit at J6 still painted for Dartford Tunnel. The stretch itself doesn't appear to have been recently resurfaced, but I can't imagine on such a main road that that particular part of the slip road hasn't been since 1991, and surely the markings have been repainted in that time?
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Runwell wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 17:31 Not exactly akin with the examples above. However it is strange, that nearly 30 years since traffic heading clockwise on the M25/A282 was switched to the QE2 Bridge, the markings on the M11 n/b exit at J6 still painted for Dartford Tunnel. The stretch itself doesn't appear to have been recently resurfaced, but I can't imagine on such a main road that that particular part of the slip road hasn't been since 1991, and surely the markings have been repainted in that time?
If a road is resurfaced, the markings are usually noted down and painted on the new surface like for like. And if a road’s markings are repainted they are usually just given a new coat on top of the old. So it’s probably just an unthinking continuation of what was always there.
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Hmmmm....

That image also displays one of my top pet hates as a traffic engineer and motorist - lazy-ass contractors who think placing Chapter 8 warning signs at 3 metre intervals is in any way acceptable.
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Ok it's a retail park so technically a private road but this abomination was put in place a couple of years ago. It's been altered now with a one way system in and out of the place.
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When the priority of this junction was changed the old markings weren't removed.

https://goo.gl/maps/WkfXJSPgYcZzxiEd8
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Either lane for A627(M) (M62)

Yep still either lane for (M62)

WTF? :ipunch: I had to go round again.
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This is not meant to be a suicide lane.
It was resurfaced and remarked a couple of years ago, and someone has recognised they should be Dia.1005 making 2+1 as they were black painted back to the correct length, but the black-out wore off soon afterwards.
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This is just plain weird but I'm sure there's some logic behind it. I just can't see it right now...

Perhaps the Audi brigade were scuffing their alloys on the centre reservation trying to make late cut-ins from lane 3?
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Bfivethousand wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 17:59 This is just plain weird but I'm sure there's some logic behind it. I just can't see it right now...

Perhaps the Audi brigade were scuffing their alloys on the centre reservation trying to make late cut-ins from lane 3?
Was that featured on Today's UK Dashcam Youtube Video?

I do believe that layout is non-standard. It should always be the third lane merges into the second lane.

The reason behind it is that on the approach, lane 1 splits into 2. While lane 2 becomes lane 3 and the right turning lane. However this usually its the other way around, and I don't' really see a reason why its like this.
There is very little room to stack 3 lanes of traffic on the approach to the signals anyway, so the benefit of putting a third through lane in the junction is minimal. Would of been better to provide separate left turn lane which buses could go ahead on.
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jervi wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 20:41
Was that featured on Today's UK Dashcam Youtube Video?
Yeah, the Barnet tailgaters. I rather look forward to 5.30pm on a Sunday afternoon nowadays.
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Bfivethousand wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 17:59 This is just plain weird but I'm sure there's some logic behind it. I just can't see it right now...

Perhaps the Audi brigade were scuffing their alloys on the centre reservation trying to make late cut-ins from lane 3?
Areas around London seem to love this layout, the A12 has them too, minus the hatched area.

Nothing beats this nonsense in Preston, heaven help you if you're in the middle lane: https://goo.gl/maps/2ET6DMPKja9uraTZ9
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There's a right-turn lane on the A5184 here. However, that's in odds with the "no right turns" sign also visible.
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