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Re: botched road markings

Post by vlad » Wed Jan 09, 2019 19:17

Johnathan404 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 13:13
Often you will have to start or end your journey by heading the "wrong" way, but it's rare to have to follow the wrong compass direction in the middle of long, cross-country route like Stoke to Oxford.
Given that nobody in Stoke needs to go to Oxford that isn't really relevant. :)
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Re: botched road markings

Post by Stevie D » Wed Jan 09, 2019 20:20

Big L wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 13:08
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It is very confusing if you're heading towards the M40 though - you are following north to go south.
No different to someone in Birmingham going north on the A38M and M6 to get the southbound M5; no doubt people could suggest silar examples around London or Manchester. Orbital motorways will do this to you.
It's slightly different, in that when you head up the A38(M), you are clearly using a local link road to get out of the city centre and then join the main motorway network and then turning off the M6 ... whereas the E/W section of the M42 between M5 and M40 feels like it should be M40, in that you continue straight ahead and you end up on the M40. Apart from the M25 and M60, there aren't a great many major routes where you start off going in one direction, keep going straight ahead, and end up going in diametrically the opposite direction.

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Re: botched road markings

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Euan » Mon May 13, 2019 23:00

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Single solid white centre line
At first I was unsure whether it really was a constant single marking or just what was left after fading of an adjacent dotted line, but yes it does look like a continuous single white line. I would assume that it is implying something similar to a continuous double line, I certainly would not feel comfortable overtaking in either direction along that road.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by lefthandedspanner » Mon May 13, 2019 23:19

Euan wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 23:00
ellandback wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 13:11
Single solid white centre line
At first I was unsure whether it really was a constant single marking or just what was left after fading of an adjacent dotted line, but yes it does look like a continuous single white line. I would assume that it is implying something similar to a continuous double line, I certainly would not feel comfortable overtaking in either direction along that road.
It's probably a cut-price version of a continuous double line.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by ellandback » Tue May 14, 2019 08:27

I agree the Google image isn't crystal clear, but I drove along it at the weekend and it's definitely a continuous single solid line. As you say I presume it's meant to be a double, or a single + broken, and common sense says no overtaking certainly for the most part of it, but it's hardly ideal that we've apparently invented a new marking that's not in the Highway Code.

I recall a similar thing on the main coast road in Whitley Bay in the late 70s/early 80s but presume that's been fixed by now.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Bryn666 » Wed May 15, 2019 21:33

ellandback wrote:
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I agree the Google image isn't crystal clear, but I drove along it at the weekend and it's definitely a continuous single solid line. As you say I presume it's meant to be a double, or a single + broken, and common sense says no overtaking certainly for the most part of it, but it's hardly ideal that we've apparently invented a new marking that's not in the Highway Code.

I recall a similar thing on the main coast road in Whitley Bay in the late 70s/early 80s but presume that's been fixed by now.
Single solids were allowed before 1964 but they didn't mean the same as doubles (introduced 1958 or so but not part of the 1957 regs)... hence your Whitley Bay example.

This is just a cock up.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by ellandback » Thu May 16, 2019 13:15

Bryn666 wrote:
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Single solids were allowed before 1964 but they didn't mean the same as doubles
It's getting increasingly rare that I can say this nowadays but … I can't remember that far back. :D

But thanks, I was not aware of that. Just as a matter of interest what did they mean?

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Re: botched road markings

Post by JonH » Thu May 16, 2019 13:19

I don't think anyone has mentioned J14 on the M25. Coming off the clockwise motorway bound for Heathrow T4, the road signs and markings clearly show 3 lanes going towards Heathrow. The instant you pass the lights onto the roundabout, one of those three lanes vanishes into thin air and only 2 continue round to the A3113.

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Re: botched road markings

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JonH wrote:
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I don't think anyone has mentioned J14 on the M25. Coming off the clockwise motorway bound for Heathrow T4, the road signs and markings clearly show 3 lanes going towards Heathrow. The instant you pass the lights onto the roundabout, one of those three lanes vanishes into thin air and only 2 continue round to the A3113.
"People can't design spiral roundabouts properly" is a regular sentence I have to say. :cry:
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Re: botched road markings

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ellandback wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 13:15
Bryn666 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 21:33
Single solids were allowed before 1964 but they didn't mean the same as doubles
It's getting increasingly rare that I can say this nowadays but … I can't remember that far back. :D

But thanks, I was not aware of that. Just as a matter of interest what did they mean?
They were effectively an early hazard line. You can often see old photos showing the familiar dashed lane line and then a solid approaching, say, a signal stop line.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by nowster » Fri May 17, 2019 12:50

Bryn666 wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 13:25
ellandback wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 13:15
Bryn666 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 21:33
Single solids were allowed before 1964 but they didn't mean the same as doubles
It's getting increasingly rare that I can say this nowadays but … I can't remember that far back. :D
But thanks, I was not aware of that. Just as a matter of interest what did they mean?
They were effectively an early hazard line. You can often see old photos showing the familiar dashed lane line and then a solid approaching, say, a signal stop line.
And they still have that meaning in Ireland, IIRC.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Johnathan404 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 15:24

I know the random middle lane road layout was common in urban areas, but I didn't expect it to be found on a major NSL trunk route... that Highways England keep resurfacing!
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Re: botched road markings

Post by yen_powell » Thu Sep 19, 2019 19:35

A favourite of mine on the A12 in east London, a new special lane marking, I especially notice it because I am usually riding on top of it through stand still traffic at going home time, https://goo.gl/maps/e6WruAC2zqXJZ3EU8 these markings are immediately followed by the by the mysterious double white line markings which can make no sense when all traffic is going in the same directions.
https://goo.gl/maps/zMvsU3gqvB3VQ6uT9

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Re: botched road markings

Post by SouthWest Philip » Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:19

yen_powell wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 19:35
A favourite of mine on the A12...
these markings are immediately followed by the by the mysterious double white line markings which can make no sense when all traffic is going in the same directions.
https://goo.gl/maps/zMvsU3gqvB3VQ6uT9
Ah, but is it a double white line or is it a tiger tail marking that's to narrow to fit the chevrons/hatching between the lines? It's pretty clear the intended meaning is 'stay in lane' (with signs stating this too).

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Re: botched road markings

Post by yen_powell » Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:37

SouthWest Philip wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:19
yen_powell wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 19:35
A favourite of mine on the A12...
these markings are immediately followed by the by the mysterious double white line markings which can make no sense when all traffic is going in the same directions.
https://goo.gl/maps/zMvsU3gqvB3VQ6uT9
Ah, but is it a double white line or is it a tiger tail marking that's to narrow to fit the chevrons/hatching between the lines? It's pretty clear the intended meaning is 'stay in lane' (with signs stating this too).
Don't think so, I think they have a minimum width. I'd look in my 2016 regs but it's a car crash of a document. I think Stay in Lane signs are only allowed in road works, but I may be wrong.

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Re: botched road markings

Post by M19 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:51

nowster wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:50
Bryn666 wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 13:25
ellandback wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 13:15

It's getting increasingly rare that I can say this nowadays but … I can't remember that far back. :D
But thanks, I was not aware of that. Just as a matter of interest what did they mean?
They were effectively an early hazard line. You can often see old photos showing the familiar dashed lane line and then a solid approaching, say, a signal stop line.
And they still have that meaning in Ireland, IIRC.
Single solid lines are used in France instead of double whites.

In other countries I like the use of solid lines approaching stop lines for signalised junctions to discourage last minute weaving.

Same goes with the use of solid lines around ghost island at junctions with which also tend to taper neatly as the carriageway widens and use curves that relate to the paths that vehicles take than the horrible sharp angles in the UK that are ignored.

The only place where lining works well and appears neatly done is on motorways.
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Re: botched road markings

Post by jackal » Wed Oct 09, 2019 13:43

There's an interesting give way at a roundabout on Stephenson Way, Watford:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.66442 ... 312!8i6656

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Re: botched road markings

Post by Brenley Corner » Wed Oct 09, 2019 13:51

yen_powell wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:37
SouthWest Philip wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:19
yen_powell wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 19:35
A favourite of mine on the A12...
these markings are immediately followed by the by the mysterious double white line markings which can make no sense when all traffic is going in the same directions.
https://goo.gl/maps/zMvsU3gqvB3VQ6uT9
Ah, but is it a double white line or is it a tiger tail marking that's to narrow to fit the chevrons/hatching between the lines? It's pretty clear the intended meaning is 'stay in lane' (with signs stating this too).
Don't think so, I think they have a minimum width. I'd look in my 2016 regs but it's a car crash of a document. I think Stay in Lane signs are only allowed in road works, but I may be wrong.
It seems to be common practice in tunnels and long underpasses. Here are double lines at the Dartford Tunnel: https://goo.gl/maps/LSW35yhNdPv2zzUv7
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