I do that too. Perhaps we should get it ‘officialized?’
A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
More so if the scheme is designed with the view the the road will be smartened mid-life.Berk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 16:52...
After all, if you deliver a scheme with a hard shoulder today, it can be smartened (temporarily) in the future.
My biggest problem with smart schemes is that they’re not particularly cheap, or good value for money. They would represent about 75% of the cost of a full widening scheme anyway.
Must be good for box-tickers, though...
Such as adding bays beyond the hard shoulder by the emergency phones. So drivers can safely use the drivers door. Families can safely remain in the car without the risk of being rear ended.
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Any news considering a March 2020 start was the aim?
Personally, my hope is that this scheme is scrapped in favour of a proper widening scheme with hard shoulders.
Personally, my hope is that this scheme is scrapped in favour of a proper widening scheme with hard shoulders.
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Extremely unlikely given that Highways England have explicitly said they will never build a hard shoulder again. You're entitled to prefer it but that's just not the way things are done any more.thatapanydude wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 13:01 Personally, my hope is that this scheme is scrapped in favour of a proper widening scheme with hard shoulders.
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
They also said not too long ago that they wouldn't build any more motorways, and that the A14 was definitely not going to be one. So a pinch of salt is required. 'Never' might last until the next Transport Minister changes the policyJohnathan404 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 13:07Extremely unlikely given that Highways England have explicitly said they will never build a hard shoulder again. You're entitled to prefer it but that's just not the way things are done any more.thatapanydude wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 13:01 Personally, my hope is that this scheme is scrapped in favour of a proper widening scheme with hard shoulders.
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The Transport Minister hasn't changed and they haven't changed their policy so you're saying the proposal definitely won't have changed?
Realistically I think a change in legal classification was much more predictable than them turning their back on technology which is, as society insists on telling us, the future.
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I'm saying that it's their current position, and it's possible it could change according to the political mood. Unlikely I agree, but 'never' requires a 20/20 crystal ballJohnathan404 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 15:07 The Transport Minister hasn't changed and they haven't changed their policy so you're saying the proposal definitely won't have changed?
Realistically I think a change in legal classification was much more predictable than them turning their back on technology which is, as society insists on telling us, the future.
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It's the Ford Pintonomics argument. The costs of not providing hard shoulders are still more beneficial than the costs of providing them even if there is a fatality.
Why would you spend millions on a strip of asphalt that will not be used to its full potential?
Why would you spend millions on a strip of asphalt that will not be used to its full potential?
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That's not the point I was making, I was simply saying that things change, often overnight. I wasn't trying to get into the hardshoulder good/bad argumentBryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 17:32 It's the Ford Pintonomics argument. The costs of not providing hard shoulders are still more beneficial than the costs of providing them even if there is a fatality.
Why would you spend millions on a strip of asphalt that will not be used to its full potential?
Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
Makes sense - but perhaps the solution was DHSR. When traffic can make do with one lane less, we reserve a lane for emergencies. And only when it's congested enough to reduce traffic speeds to a safe level is the hard shoulder opened as much-needed extra capacity. If we just tweaked the design of the lane control (e.g. using green arrows and red Xs) then it might be much clearer.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 17:32 It's the Ford Pintonomics argument. The costs of not providing hard shoulders are still more beneficial than the costs of providing them even if there is a fatality.
Why would you spend millions on a strip of asphalt that will not be used to its full potential?
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
No I know but that's the position ministers will take - what's cheapest.Herned wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 19:11That's not the point I was making, I was simply saying that things change, often overnight. I wasn't trying to get into the hardshoulder good/bad argumentBryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 17:32 It's the Ford Pintonomics argument. The costs of not providing hard shoulders are still more beneficial than the costs of providing them even if there is a fatality.
Why would you spend millions on a strip of asphalt that will not be used to its full potential?
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
Isn't that when the budget is, when all infrastructure expenditure will be directed to "The North"jackal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 13:07 Construction to start in March.
https://highwaysengland.co.uk/projects/ ... -motorway/
Or is this the new North.
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
Can't say I am too pleased to be honest. I would have rather waited a few years for a proper widening job personally. Though seeing this is in Shapps constituency it's a no brainer to get the ball rolling with it.
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
Might have been more than a few years considering how little space there is:thatapanydude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 15:49 Can't say I am too pleased to be honest. I would have rather waited a few years for a proper widening job personally.
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
To be pedantic the majority of the works fall in the Stevenage constituency. Of course the effects on certain neighbouring constituencies are not insignificant.thatapanydude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 15:49 Can't say I am too pleased to be honest. I would have rather waited a few years for a proper widening job personally. Though seeing this is in Shapps constituency it's a no brainer to get the ball rolling with it.
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jackal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 17:04Might have been more than a few years considering how little space there is:thatapanydude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 15:49 Can't say I am too pleased to be honest. I would have rather waited a few years for a proper widening job personally.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.84129 ... a=!3m1!1e3
You do have to be impressed how the total lack of foresight has allowed the construction of houses right up to the carriageway boundary... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.84347 ... 312!8i6656
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
Tbf the scheme was announced back in 2014/15 when Patrick McLoughlin was transport secretary and Mr Shapps (or should that be Mr Green?) was in the news for other reasons.trickstat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 18:05To be pedantic the majority of the works fall in the Stevenage constituency. Of course the effects on certain neighbouring constituencies are not insignificant.thatapanydude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 15:49 Can't say I am too pleased to be honest. I would have rather waited a few years for a proper widening job personally. Though seeing this is in Shapps constituency it's a no brainer to get the ball rolling with it.
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Must be imagining Crossrail and the Silvertown Tunnel then?JohnnyMo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 15:41Isn't that when the budget is, when all infrastructure expenditure will be directed to "The North"jackal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 13:07 Construction to start in March.
https://highwaysengland.co.uk/projects/ ... -motorway/
Or is this the new North.
Bryn
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Terminally cynical, unimpressed, and nearly Middle Age already.
She said life was like a motorway; dull, grey, and long.
Blog - https://showmeasign.online/
X - https://twitter.com/ShowMeASignBryn
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Re: A1(M) Junction 6 to Junction 8 Smart Motorway
No, as my mother once said it's no man's land - north of Watford but south of Watford Gap.JohnnyMo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 15:41Isn't that when the budget is, when all infrastructure expenditure will be directed to "The North"jackal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 13:07 Construction to start in March.
https://highwaysengland.co.uk/projects/ ... -motorway/
Or is this the new North.