A27. Shoreham and IKEA
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I wrote to Bristol about their new signalised rbt. (A4174 thread) It just established that sig rbts are designed differently from older ones, such that they can't be unsignalised or even part-time. I expect IKEA have subtly put pressure on the councils as well, as developers do. No approval, we go elsewhere.
The massive peak time hold-ups and the local uproar that will follow are so predictable.
It's not about speed, I'm one of the slower drivers on here, 50- 60 most of the time. It's about unnecessary interruptions to the journey and, IKEA on a long distance trunk road is about as unnecessary as it gets.
Looking at aerial views, there is a lane called Mash Barn Lane that could be used to link to the A2025 via a new football ground access or, 2 residential roads, Shadwells Rd and Gravelly Crescent. The residents would have no valid grounds for complaint, as most would be queueing at IKEA on the first day anyway. There are also 2 open ended cul de sacs further up that could link, if the new housing plan was altered. Then, the A27 would just be a westbound LILO only. There is space at the current lights for a simple dumbbell bridge over the A27. I don't suppose any alternatives were even looked at.
This needs to be looked into. Council meetings with IKEA, via a FOI request. HE must have pressure put on them from somewhere, as with the nonsense at M5/A30 Exeter. Why would they be freeflowing routes all over England, yet, cluttering up other routes with local infrastructure? There is a contradiction there.
In other Roadhog news, A30 East now open to Hatch. Hi-jacking and death I'm afraid.
The massive peak time hold-ups and the local uproar that will follow are so predictable.
It's not about speed, I'm one of the slower drivers on here, 50- 60 most of the time. It's about unnecessary interruptions to the journey and, IKEA on a long distance trunk road is about as unnecessary as it gets.
Looking at aerial views, there is a lane called Mash Barn Lane that could be used to link to the A2025 via a new football ground access or, 2 residential roads, Shadwells Rd and Gravelly Crescent. The residents would have no valid grounds for complaint, as most would be queueing at IKEA on the first day anyway. There are also 2 open ended cul de sacs further up that could link, if the new housing plan was altered. Then, the A27 would just be a westbound LILO only. There is space at the current lights for a simple dumbbell bridge over the A27. I don't suppose any alternatives were even looked at.
This needs to be looked into. Council meetings with IKEA, via a FOI request. HE must have pressure put on them from somewhere, as with the nonsense at M5/A30 Exeter. Why would they be freeflowing routes all over England, yet, cluttering up other routes with local infrastructure? There is a contradiction there.
In other Roadhog news, A30 East now open to Hatch. Hi-jacking and death I'm afraid.
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Re: A27. Shoreham and IKEA
That alternative access to to the A2025 had occurred to me to. If you're being adventurous, a little demolition at Manor Roundabout could put the A27 under Grinstead Lane with that going straight over the top with no junction, meaning to get to Lancing (North or South) you have to use a new grade separated junction for Ikea/rerouted A2025.
I can't see the northern tunnelled Lancing bypass ever happen so this could be a positive step, except for those houses demolished right on Manor Roundabout but they are so close to the road as it is.
I can't see the northern tunnelled Lancing bypass ever happen so this could be a positive step, except for those houses demolished right on Manor Roundabout but they are so close to the road as it is.
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I for one won't miss those traffic lights, although I've now moved further up county so don't have to suffer with them anymore. The queues at peak times there are pretty bad both ways, off-peak is fine though, as most the turning traffic is workers around the airport and students being driven to Lancing College.
What the queues for Ikea will be like though is another matter...
What the queues for Ikea will be like though is another matter...
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Other than weekend opening time and January sale time IKEA isn't the queue generating monster many seem to think.
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Re: A27. Shoreham and IKEA
IKEA is the kind of place that can attract people from quite a long way away but people don't tend to go there very often. The only real queues I've experienced at an IKEA has been at the checkoutsBig L wrote:Other than weekend opening time and January sale time IKEA isn't the queue generating monster many seem to think.
Re: A27. Shoreham and IKEA
Well, its been a week now since I sent off various emails. The good egg award goes to Geoff Patmore, of Adur Council. He received email at 13.42 last Sunday, replied 15.41 as shown......
Hello Steve
Agreed ,the whole development is flawed , major flood risk
Also the A27 congestion impacts massively on the A259
Notwithstanding ,the govt inspector hasn't responded yet ,there are no decisions and no planning Apps yet
We await the deliberations
Thankyou for your e mail
Kind regards
Geoff
geoff.patmore@adur.gov.uk
I Cc'd the rest of the councillors below, no replies yet.
george.barton@adur.gov.uk peter.metcalfe@adur.gov.uk brian.coomber@adur.gov.uk stephen.chipp@adur.gov.uk carol.albury@adur.gov.uk ken.bishop@adur,gov.uk les.alden@adur.gov.uk
Emailed the developers, silence so far.
sussex@ecearchitecture.com
Local MP. As I'm not a constituent, he won't be replying, fair enough.
Thank you for contacting Tim Loughton, Member of Parliament for East Worthing & Shoreham. This is an automatic reply to let you know that your email has been received.
So, those are the email addresses, off you go, especially any who live in Tim's patch. Geoff Patmore should reply but, Cc the others just to annoy them.
No planning apps yet, so common sense may yet prevail.........
The A259 is forced to be the local road anyway so, pushing even more on to it from IKEA is justified. Causing even more to use it to avoid the A27, isn't.
Hello Steve
Agreed ,the whole development is flawed , major flood risk
Also the A27 congestion impacts massively on the A259
Notwithstanding ,the govt inspector hasn't responded yet ,there are no decisions and no planning Apps yet
We await the deliberations
Thankyou for your e mail
Kind regards
Geoff
geoff.patmore@adur.gov.uk
I Cc'd the rest of the councillors below, no replies yet.
george.barton@adur.gov.uk peter.metcalfe@adur.gov.uk brian.coomber@adur.gov.uk stephen.chipp@adur.gov.uk carol.albury@adur.gov.uk ken.bishop@adur,gov.uk les.alden@adur.gov.uk
Emailed the developers, silence so far.
sussex@ecearchitecture.com
Local MP. As I'm not a constituent, he won't be replying, fair enough.
Thank you for contacting Tim Loughton, Member of Parliament for East Worthing & Shoreham. This is an automatic reply to let you know that your email has been received.
So, those are the email addresses, off you go, especially any who live in Tim's patch. Geoff Patmore should reply but, Cc the others just to annoy them.
No planning apps yet, so common sense may yet prevail.........
The A259 is forced to be the local road anyway so, pushing even more on to it from IKEA is justified. Causing even more to use it to avoid the A27, isn't.
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Eventually, MP Tim Loughton did reply or, his computer did. The message is as follows....Thank You. End of message.
Still nothing from the other 7 out of 8 councillors contacted.
How have the rest of you got on.....................................?
Still nothing from the other 7 out of 8 councillors contacted.
How have the rest of you got on.....................................?
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My politics don't align with Mr Loughton, although he does work quite hard
The links below have his comments on Ikea
https://www.timloughton.com/campaigns/n ... evelopment
The links below have his comments on Ikea
https://www.timloughton.com/campaigns/n ... evelopment
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https://www.worthingherald.co.uk/news/p ... -1-8656627
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-engl ... x-45645720
The IKEA plan approved tonight.
Another ****** rbt on the A27.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-engl ... x-45645720
The IKEA plan approved tonight.
Another ****** rbt on the A27.
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And massive inconvenience to both drivers and cyclists.
The former have another at grade junction and the latter lose a crossing point entirely.
HE are hopeless.
The former have another at grade junction and the latter lose a crossing point entirely.
HE are hopeless.
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Their very ethos appears to be that all development is good, so you are never going to get any kind of regulation from them.
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So yet another at grade junction in the very area where the A27 is so inadequate as a South Coast route. No wonder that people travelling from East Kent to Portsmouth and Southampton use the M25.Johnathan404 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 14:41Their very ethos appears to be that all development is good, so you are never going to get any kind of regulation from them.
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That has to be their ethos, because it's DfT policy. Transport policy in this country is not led by getting people around more quickly, it's led by the requirement to stimulate economic development.Johnathan404 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 14:41Their very ethos appears to be that all development is good, so you are never going to get any kind of regulation from them.
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I think it depends on what you mean by economic development - letting a developer put a roundabout on a dual carriageway might get a particular site developed locally in the here and now, but if we take a broader, longer term national picture, degrading our main traffic arteries has got to be counter-productive from a development point of view, I’d have thought.
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I'm going to stop you there and point out there is NO broader longer term national picture. If it falls outside of a tightly drawn red line boundary then they aren't interested.roadtester wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 00:02 I think it depends on what you mean by economic development - letting a developer put a roundabout on a dual carriageway might get a particular site developed locally in the here and now, but if we take a broader, longer term national picture, degrading our main traffic arteries has got to be counter-productive from a development point of view, I’d have thought.
Roads for the expedient movement of traffic as defined in TMA 2004 have gone out of the window in favour of roads that make tax receipts on business rates and land purchase. To hell with the fact it screws a trunk road up even more, having 200 new jobs is seen as more important even though those 200 new jobs will likely drive and clog up the road with the lost productivity being ignored.
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Re: A27. Shoreham and IKEA
As Bryn says, only the first part of what you said fits the current policy. If something gets development moving here and now, then it's OK. There is no other consideration that counts - and certainly no other consideration that trumps it.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 00:25I'm going to stop you there and point out there is NO broader longer term national picture.roadtester wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 00:02 I think it depends on what you mean by economic development - letting a developer put a roundabout on a dual carriageway might get a particular site developed locally in the here and now, but if we take a broader, longer term national picture, degrading our main traffic arteries has got to be counter-productive from a development point of view, I’d have thought.
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This crazy scheme is still progressing and the developers now want a fourth arm added to the roundabout!
https://www.worthingherald.co.uk/news/p ... ng-3105072
https://www.worthingherald.co.uk/news/p ... ng-3105072
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That doesn't look such a bad idea,as it removes the side road turning further to the east....GeekyJames wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 22:19 This crazy scheme is still progressing and the developers now want a fourth arm added to the roundabout!
https://www.worthingherald.co.uk/news/p ... ng-3105072
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Re: A27. Shoreham and IKEA
I just do not understand this Janus-like approach to the A27
One one hand, the visionary choice at Arundel... yet here, the absolute opposite.
One one hand, the visionary choice at Arundel... yet here, the absolute opposite.