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by jusme » Sun Jan 05, 2020 18:38
Northbound contraflow now being removed at the northern end of J14-J15, down to just under 5 miles (from 11). Some overnight closures signed, so guess we'll be seeing some southbound contraflow action very soon
Noticed that there aren't many "hockey puck" gantries for the MS4s on this section - but a lot of box gantries:
Wondering if hockey puck ones will spring up later (being easier to install?) of if there's a change of style on this section?
Also what looks like lighting columns around J15:
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by Chris5156 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 22:39
jusme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 18:38
Noticed that there aren't many "hockey puck" gantries for the MS4s on this section - but a lot of box gantries
Wondering if hockey puck ones will spring up later (being easier to install?) of if there's a change of style on this section?
Are there any hockey puck supports at all? I don’t think any other current or recent Smart Motorway schemes have installed them - they’re all the new boxy type that allow maintenance without closing a lane below.
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by jusme » Mon Jan 06, 2020 05:49
Chris5156 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 22:39
Are there any hockey puck supports at all? I don’t think any other current or recent Smart Motorway schemes have installed them - they’re all the new boxy type that allow maintenance without closing a lane below.
No I haven't seen any installed on this section.
Makes sense, just surprised at the contrast with the recently completed J16-J19, which is hockey puck all the way.
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by Big L » Mon Jan 06, 2020 07:04
Hockey puck?
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by Big L » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:19
That makes more sense.
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by ChrisH » Mon Jan 06, 2020 13:06
The M4 smart motorway is having this type installed. But with enormous concrete footings which the previous iterations somehow got away without.
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by A303Chris » Mon Jan 06, 2020 14:19
ChrisH wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 13:06
The M4 smart motorway is having this type installed. But with enormous concrete footings which the previous iterations somehow got away without.
I'm glad I haven't being going mad, as I thought they were reusing the old MS4 hockey stick brackets for the new signs but the concrete base has seemed to treble in size
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by ScottB5411 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 18:32
A303Chris wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 14:19
ChrisH wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 13:06
The M4 smart motorway is having this type installed. But with enormous concrete footings which the previous iterations somehow got away without.
I'm glad I haven't being going mad, as I thought they were reusing the old MS4 hockey stick brackets for the new signs but the concrete base has seemed to treble in size
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by Bryn666 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 20:18
A303Chris wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 14:19
ChrisH wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 13:06
The M4 smart motorway is having this type installed. But with enormous concrete footings which the previous iterations somehow got away without.
I'm glad I haven't being going mad, as I thought they were reusing the old MS4 hockey stick brackets for the new signs but the concrete base has seemed to treble in size
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by rw93 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 09:03
There is a southbound contraflow now in place between just before J15 and Yarnfield, this is now where the northbound contraflow also ends.
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by Big L » Tue Jan 14, 2020 18:29
Northbound, after j14, the signs still instruct j15 traffic to use lanes 1+2, despite the contraflow lane now ending fully four miles before j15.
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by brummie_rob » Mon Feb 24, 2020 21:31
An increased speed limit of 60mph is now in place from around Yarnfield to J15 on the Northbound side. Not many seemed to notice but it was a pleasant surprise so early on still (and with the contraflow still running).
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by mikehindsonevans » Mon Feb 24, 2020 22:33
Nightmare journey last night from Cheshire to Cambridge. Joining at M6j18, matrix signs indicated "one hour delay j11 to j10". Other signs recommended southbound drivers to leave at j15 and take the A50.
I saw East Midlands Airport (wow, those M1 junctions 24A and 23A have changed) thence south to Catthorpe and onto the A14. Then off at A14j13 and north to Peterborough, down The A1M(four lanes AND a hard shoulder!) before the final closure around Madingley.
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by Jeni » Mon Feb 24, 2020 23:06
mikehindsonevans wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 22:33
Nightmare journey last night from Cheshire to Cambridge. Joining at M6j18, matrix signs indicated "one hour delay j11 to j10". Other signs recommended southbound drivers to leave at j15 and take the A50.
I saw East Midlands Airport (wow, those M1 junctions 24A and 23A have changed) thence south to Catthorpe and onto the A14. Then off at A14j13 and north to Peterborough, down The A1M(four lanes AND a hard shoulder!) before the final closure around Madingley.
These roads will be great when construction is completed.
Was this relevant to the 13-15 smart motorway project? I'm struggling to see the connection?
11-10 isn't due to have any further work beyond its existing smart motorway status that I'm aware of?
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by mikehindsonevans » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:01
Sorry, brain fade. My point was that all the technology worked, so that motorists had other route options for the long distance run past Brum - and without too much time sitting in the M6 contraflow.
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by Norfolktolancashire » Tue Feb 25, 2020 17:31
brummie_rob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 21:31
An increased speed limit of 60mph is now in place from around Yarnfield to J15 on the Northbound side. Not many seemed to notice but it was a pleasant surprise so early on still (and with the contraflow still running).
Has that section of northbound carriageway been "completed" in that has it got a new surface and wider lanes? Or is this section of 60mph an experiment?
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by brummie_rob » Tue Feb 25, 2020 22:29
It's completed but no more than before Christmas, it has a resurfaced lane one and emergency refuges (some coned off) and the lane three is marginally wider perhaps. However there is a contraflow lane running which is why I was surprised.
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by Bendo » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:48
mikehindsonevans wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:01
Sorry, brain fade. My point was that all the technology worked, so that motorists had other route options for the long distance run past Brum - and without too much time sitting in the M6 contraflow.
Great, technology to tell people there is congestion something we have had for at least 10 years and is pretty much obsolete with connected sat navs, I'd always do what Google Maps suggests rather than what is on the VMS as I've a lot more faith in Googles knowledge of what speed traffic is flowing at.
