How do you propose to pay for your outright fantasy, never going to be built, completely pointless idea?lotrjw wrote: Or check out my new suggestion on my previous post to this.
A6 Broughton Bypass
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You might want to try travelling on a bus or consulting with its users before making a suggestion like this.lotrjw wrote:Did I say make it a motorway? Its what 500 metres to go up to the next roundabout and back and would take 1-2 minuets of a busses time on a fast road.
Let's not derail this thread with solutions to problems which don't exist.
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Forget the bridge idea, the point that the old section and the new section join are so close to the M56 roundabout, about 70 metres, that a slightly extended M56 roundabout and the old A6 joining separate to the new A6 could have been done.Jeni wrote:How do you propose to pay for your outright fantasy, never going to be built, completely pointless idea?lotrjw wrote: Or check out my new suggestion on my previous post to this.
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This is more than "slightly extended", you're doubling, probably even tripling the size of the roundabout, and you're adding a 5th exit/entry to an already heavily congested roundabout.lotrjw wrote:Forget the bridge idea, the point that the old section and the new section join are so close to the M56 roundabout, about 70 metres, that a slightly extended M56 roundabout and the old A6 joining separate to the new A6 could have been done.Jeni wrote:How do you propose to pay for your outright fantasy, never going to be built, completely pointless idea?lotrjw wrote: Or check out my new suggestion on my previous post to this.
Again, where do you propose to get the funds from for this, and what *actual* benefit would it have other than pure fantasy?
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Knew I should have checked on here before going over there after work!Jeni wrote:Surprise surprise, I was there...
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Was just watching the opening on an online video, some old guy who has lived in the village for 80 years and said he has waited 80 years for this bypass, what didn't seemed to be mentioned was that broughton was effectively bypassed with the building of the M6, this latest scheme now removes the local traffic on the A6 so you could say it's the second bypass.
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Im only suggesting the roundabout go about 20 metres out northwards, then extend the old road down west of the new to meet the roundabout. I would have also not made any roundabouts on the new route and instead grade separated the route with the northern end of the old route closed. That would have allowed all traffic in and out of Broughton to be entirely separated from the new A6 which would then have been freeflow from the M56 roundabout up to Newsham.Jeni wrote:This is more than "slightly extended", you're doubling, probably even tripling the size of the roundabout, and you're adding a 5th exit/entry to an already heavily congested roundabout.lotrjw wrote:Forget the bridge idea, the point that the old section and the new section join are so close to the M56 roundabout, about 70 metres, that a slightly extended M56 roundabout and the old A6 joining separate to the new A6 could have been done.Jeni wrote:
How do you propose to pay for your outright fantasy, never going to be built, completely pointless idea?
Again, where do you propose to get the funds from for this, and what *actual* benefit would it have other than pure fantasy?
Obviously now its built changing it would be too expensive, but if designing it from scratch thats what I would have done.
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Wait, you're now suggesting that the A6 should have been entirely grade separated around Broughton?! Why? What benefit would it gain? Where will the money come from? (A question I keep asking, but you never answer)lotrjw wrote: Im only suggesting the roundabout go about 20 metres out northwards, then extend the old road down west of the new to meet the roundabout. I would have also not made any roundabouts on the new route and instead grade separated the route with the northern end of the old route closed. That would have allowed all traffic in and out of Broughton to be entirely separated from the new A6 which would then have been freeflow from the M56 roundabout up to Newsham.
Obviously now its built changing it would be too expensive, but if designing it from scratch thats what I would have done.
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Contrary to popular belief, Im sure the government could build any roads it wanted, with the constraints being more environmental than monetary.Jeni wrote:Wait, you're now suggesting that the A6 should have been entirely grade separated around Broughton?! Why? What benefit would it gain? Where will the money come from? (A question I keep asking, but you never answer)lotrjw wrote: Im only suggesting the roundabout go about 20 metres out northwards, then extend the old road down west of the new to meet the roundabout. I would have also not made any roundabouts on the new route and instead grade separated the route with the northern end of the old route closed. That would have allowed all traffic in and out of Broughton to be entirely separated from the new A6 which would then have been freeflow from the M56 roundabout up to Newsham.
Obviously now its built changing it would be too expensive, but if designing it from scratch thats what I would have done.
As I have suggested elsewhere, I think VED should be only for roads and funded direct from there.
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And I'm 100% sure the government *couldn't* build any road it wanted, because I live in the real world.lotrjw wrote: Contrary to popular belief, Im sure the government could build any roads it wanted, with the constraints being more environmental than monetary.
As I have suggested elsewhere, I think VED should be only for roads and funded direct from there.
And I'm glad they couldn't, because then we'd end up with ridiculous roads like a grade separated Broughton Bypass, or an extension of the M9 to John o Groats.
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Yet another thread derailed by this madness.
The motorway south of Broughton is the M55, not the M56.
Please can we have a debate where we are dealing with the facts? It was announced in the spring 2015 budget that VED will be ringfenced for roads spending by 2020. But even then it will not be spent on such patently daft things as a one-way flyover across a non-primary road carrying only buses from a small town.lotrjw wrote:As I have suggested elsewhere, I think VED should be only for roads and funded direct from there.
The motorway south of Broughton is the M55, not the M56.
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Sorry meant M55.Chris5156 wrote:Yet another thread derailed by this madness.
Please can we have a debate where we are dealing with the facts? It was announced in the spring 2015 budget that VED will be ringfenced for roads spending by 2020. But even then it will not be spent on such patently daft things as a one-way flyover across a non-primary road carrying only buses from a small town.lotrjw wrote:As I have suggested elsewhere, I think VED should be only for roads and funded direct from there.
The motorway south of Broughton is the M55, not the M56.
I came up with a better idea than the 'bus bridge over the bypass' option.
Im sure it would be spent on some good things, like first resurfacing a lot of roads that have been neglected hopefully! They are awful to drive on when full of pot holes, which Im sure everyone can agree with.
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Or we could just have what's built because it has no negative effect on anyone and helps bus journey times... just a thought.
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ExactlyBryn666 wrote:Or we could just have what's built because it has no negative effect on anyone and helps bus journey times... just a thought.
How about some more beans Mr. Taggart?
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Which hasn't happened since 1936! What's going to happen with the rest of the country whilst you ring fence VED??lotrjw wrote:Contrary to popular belief, Im sure the government could build any roads it wanted, with the constraints being more environmental than monetary.Jeni wrote:Wait, you're now suggesting that the A6 should have been entirely grade separated around Broughton?! Why? What benefit would it gain? Where will the money come from? (A question I keep asking, but you never answer)lotrjw wrote: Im only suggesting the roundabout go about 20 metres out northwards, then extend the old road down west of the new to meet the roundabout. I would have also not made any roundabouts on the new route and instead grade separated the route with the northern end of the old route closed. That would have allowed all traffic in and out of Broughton to be entirely separated from the new A6 which would then have been freeflow from the M56 roundabout up to Newsham.
Obviously now its built changing it would be too expensive, but if designing it from scratch thats what I would have done.
As I have suggested elsewhere, I think VED should be only for roads and funded direct from there.
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I think people should be grateful they're getting any upgrades at all, honestly.Bryn666 wrote:Or we could just have what's built because it has no negative effect on anyone and helps bus journey times... just a thought.
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An interesting design decision is the fact the road is unlit between junctions, despite the entire A6 between Adlington and Carnforth being lit. This is a very short length to not light, especially given it's D2. Wonder what RSA3 will say?
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You mean how will it be funded, well I have ideas but that would take the thread way off topic so best not!Arcuarius wrote:Which hasn't happened since 1936! What's going to happen with the rest of the country whilst you ring fence VED??lotrjw wrote:Contrary to popular belief, Im sure the government could build any roads it wanted, with the constraints being more environmental than monetary.Jeni wrote:
Wait, you're now suggesting that the A6 should have been entirely grade separated around Broughton?! Why? What benefit would it gain? Where will the money come from? (A question I keep asking, but you never answer)
As I have suggested elsewhere, I think VED should be only for roads and funded direct from there.
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According to Jeni's video the speed limit is 40 throughout? What is the compliance? 30 years ago it would have been NSL, 15 years ago it would have been 50. Is 40 the now standard limit for short bypasses without no property frontages
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40mph! that is low! But I guess this is for a road thats considered close enough to developed areas?Truvelo wrote:According to Jeni's video the speed limit is 40 throughout? What is the compliance? 30 years ago it would have been NSL, 15 years ago it would have been 50. Is 40 the now standard limit for short bypasses without no property frontages
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