A30 Carland Cross Chiverton Cross

[RichardEvans67]

I don't think anything is certain until they start construction.

[wrinkly]

Press release

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/high ... r-cornwall

[RichardEvans67]

Email from Highways England :

A30 Chiverton to Carland Cross
Here is the latest information on the A30 Chiverton to Carland Cross scheme

On 30 August we submitted our development consent order for this scheme to the Planning Inspectorate. The application is now being considered and we will know whether it has been accepted for formal examination by 27 September 2018.

For more information about this process and the scheme in general, please visit the scheme web page.

Web page address is :
https://highwaysengland.co.uk/projects/ ... chiverton/

[Herned]

This seems to have flown through the process compared to lots of other roads

[RichardEvans67]

Post by Herned » Thu Sep 13, 2018 19:09

This seems to have flown through the process compared to lots of other roads

I don't know about that. Announced in 2014 and construction isn't expected to start until 2020.

[RichardEvans67]

Small updates on the web site :
https://highwaysengland.co.uk/projects/ ... chiverton/

"Progress report
Our proposals for the A30 Chiverton to Carland Cross scheme have now been accepted by the Planning Inspectorate for formal examination. This is a significant milestone for the scheme, as it signifies a big step towards the delivery of much-needed improvements on this stretch of road. You can read more about this in our latest newsletter."


"What's next?
We’re holding a public information drop in event on 23 October at Truro College Campus. Here you’ll be able to view the documents we submitted as part of our application to the Planning Inspectorate. You’ll also be able to talk to the project team who'll be on hand to explain the proposals, the next steps for the project, and how you can stay involved."

[Norfolktolancashire]

I have had the "pleasure" of driving along this section of the A30 several times this month and found that on all occasions I could only reach 30mph at the most, due to the amount of traffic and agricultural vehicles using the road (of which they have no other route).

When completed the D2 will allow traffic to avoid the Truro/Falmouth area when travelling from the east of the county and give those areas some respite from through traffic.

[crowntown100]

With the deadline for the examination to close tomorrow, hopefully we will now should see an announcement soon so that this scheme can progress. Of the schemes that were announced as new schemes for the Road Investment Strategy (i.e. ones that weren't in planning at the time of the announcement like the A14(M)), I think this is one of the first to get this far through the process and should be one of the first major schemes to start.

On the ground, it looks like some preliminary work has already begun with works underway west of Carland Cross (roughly where the current road will be diverted for the new one) and at Marazanvose, near the car dealership. Again, this is near where the new road runs alongside the existing single carriageway. While I'm not entirely sure what they're doing, it looks like some form of utilities diversion as they have dug quite a large trench and vehicles parked around the site belonged to "utilities specialists" (I didn't catch what they were actually called so I'm not entirely sure what utilities are being moved). Obviously this won't be part of the main contract for the road so we'll have to wait to hear from DfT/HE as to when the main contract and actual construction will move forward.

[RichardA35]

With the deadline for the examination to close tomorrow, hopefully we will now should see an announcement soon so that this scheme can progress. Of the schemes that were announced as new schemes for the Road Investment Strategy (i.e. ones that weren't in planning at the time of the announcement like the A14(M)), I think this is one of the first to get this far through the process and should be one of the first major schemes to start.

On the ground, it looks like some preliminary work has already begun with works underway west of Carland Cross (roughly where the current road will be diverted for the new one) and at Marazanvose, near the car dealership. Again, this is near where the new road runs alongside the existing single carriageway. While I'm not entirely sure what they're doing, it looks like some form of utilities diversion as they have dug quite a large trench and vehicles parked around the site belonged to "utilities specialists" (I didn't catch what they were actually called so I'm not entirely sure what utilities are being moved). Obviously this won't be part of the main contract for the road so we'll have to wait to hear from DfT/HE as to when the main contract and actual construction will move forward.

It would be strange for a project to commit several millions from the public purse on moving utilities before the decision is made on whether they need moving...

[Berk]

Only if you take a strictly objective and neutral approach. Such works have occurred in advance of other works. Indeed the Carrington Road bridge in Worcester had work starting 3 weeks before the orders were published and made.

Besides, they’re only the preliminaries. Major construction doesn’t usually begin for several months.

[RichardA35]

Only if you take a strictly objective and neutral approach. Such works have occurred in advance of other works. Indeed the Carrington Road bridge in Worcester had work starting 3 weeks before the orders were published and made.

Besides, they’re only the preliminaries. Major construction doesn’t usually begin for several months.

What other approach can be taken? Frustrating as it may be, HE cannot pick and choose which laws to obey or disregard. High Court challenges are not unknown (e.g. Newbury Bypass)

[Berk]

Quite. Thus I don’t believe HE would act in this way unless they had a well-founded belief that the process was on track.

Any objections would already have been raised in examination. In some ways the protestors of Twyford Down and Newbury have had their way - because schemes are only allowed to now proceed after several rounds of consultation - statutory and non-statutory.

[A303Chris]

Hopefully work will start soon and then I will be able to go from one mile of my house in Woodley, near Reading , on 275 miles of motorway and HQDC until I reach the roundabout at Loggans Moor at Hayle on my trips to St Ives. Alright I know the last 3 miles to Loggans Moor is WSC.

Eastbound on this section is fine as its all two lanes from Loggans Moor to the DC at Cambourne, but the westbound lane drop, I do think at peak times will be fun as 100 miles of HQDC from the end of the M5 becomes SC. In free flow conditions the speed camera 500 yards after the end of the DC could come the most profitable in the south west.

It would, in my opinion, it would be best to extend the DC to Loggans Moor, or change it so it's two lanes to Loggans More to stop the lane drop.

[crowntown100]

It would be strange for a project to commit several millions from the public purse on moving utilities before the decision is made on whether they need moving...

I agree, that's why I mentioned it. If it's not related to the main works, I assume that if one of the local Utilities companies were planning upgrades that they would take the planned route into account so that it causes less disruption later on, which could explain why they are working where they are.

[Hiraeth]

It would appear that Taylor Woodrow are destined to be the main contractor on this scheme....

https://www.taylorwoodrow.com/Projects/ ... cross.html

[RichardEvans67]

by RichardA35 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 13:40

It would be strange for a project to commit several millions from the public purse on moving utilities before the decision is made on whether they need moving...

Although would utility companies anticipate that it is going to happen, and wouldn't that affect some of their plans ? Perhaps if they are planning to expand any of their stuff, it may be easier to adjust their plans now than to do it when the HA makes them do it.

[RichardEvans67]

Another thought.

Presumably there will be curtain protections in place at this stage of the scheme. So if they want to upgrade their network then perhaps they can not connect their upgrades to things that will have to be moved. So perhaps they have to build a certain amount of alternative infrastructure to connect their upgrades to.

[IAN]

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... en-3283890

See link - Any excitement generated by the headline is quickly dissipated when it is revealed that the 'work' is in fact referring to the utility activities already discussed.

Further disappointment - Decision will be in 'February', I thought it was meant to be autumn and February is hardly autumn!

Drove this section of the A30 today, even at mid morning when you'd expect it to be quiet it was 8 miles of 30mph nose to tail driving - upgrade desperately needed!

Ian (M5 Driver)

[Berk]

That was my perception when I went that way in June. What I noticed was that HGV’s don’t seem to make much progress going uphill, and that inevitably leads to the tailbacks.

Surely a crawler lane should’ve been provided years ago. Though I’m pretty sure there’s at least one.

[IAN]

Surely a crawler lane should’ve been provided years ago. Though I’m pretty sure there’s at least one.

There is a crawler lane eastbound on the Zelah bypass section - This section is of a better standard than the rest of the S2. There's also eastbound free flow through the Carland Cross roundabout for A30 traffic, which helps to an extent.

Ian (M5 Driver)